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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cowbyfan1

ref rule 2-30-10 a NON PLAYER is a coach, trainer, other attendant, SUBSTITUE, OR A REPLACED PLAYER WHO DOES NOT PARTICIPATE BY TOUCHING THE BALL, HINDERING AN OPPONENET OR INFLUENCING THE PLAY. SEE 9-6 FOR IP.

Good point cowboy! 2-30-10 has not been updated from the 2004 rule book and can use a little tweaking. Otherwise people can become confused.

rule 9-6-4-a IP when any player, replaced player or sub enters during the down.

I agree. and it clearly states in the PENALTY: LIVE BALL BASIC SPOT thus Rule 10-6 is clearly applicable.

rule 10-4-5-c The basic spot is the suceeding spot for a NON PLAYER foul.

If you continue reading, you will see rule 10-6 which states Unless otherwise listed in Section 4 and 5, a penalty for a foul occuring during a play is enforced from the basic spot with the exception of a foul by the offesnse which occurs behind the basic spot during a loose ball play or running play. This particula foul is enforced from the spot of the foul.
Can you find anywhere in Section 4 or 5 where Illegal Particiaption isotherwise listed?

if that is the case then why does the play situation say "does not particiapte or influence"??? It is obvious it makes a difference in reguards to 2-30-10 and 10-4-5-c!

As I stated before 2-30-10 has yet to be updated.
10-4-5c is not applicable to this discussion as per the new rule this is no longer considered a non-player foul.

Per the RULE book this has to be enforced from the basic spot, which in the situation is the end of the run.

You are correct, unless the foul is by the offense behind the basic spot because as per Rule 10-6 this would then be a spot foul.

And the rule does not say if he runs on the field he participated, it says it will be enforced as an IP foul

You are correct, 9-6-4a says the IP foul will be enforced as a live ball from the Basic Spot, which means 10-6 is applicable.

And per the rule book it will be treated as a non player IP foul. The case book is consistant with that as well by saying where it will be enforced from as well. [/B]

Cowboy, the bottom line on this is simple. Every state has a state rules interpreter. In previous posts on this thread it has been stated the four of them agree with what I am stating. We can add a 5th to that as my state rules interpreter agrees with what I have been saying. However, if you can convinced you are correct and 5 state rules interpreters are incorrect contact your SRI for his interpretation. If he finds you to be correct, that is all well and good.
Are their conflicts in the rule book. You betcha, there are every year and there will be big ones like this anytime they make a change.
For the record the intent of this rule change was to further clean up the sidelines. In my humble opinion if a team is penalized 45 yards and a score is taken away I believe you will clean up your sideline in a hurry. However the new rule also is not administered equally when committed by the defense as opposed to the offense due to the all-but-one principle. Thus, perhaps an exception is in order to balance the penalties. However, while some are looking for this exception in the 2005 rule book it simply is not there. Any exception would need to be listed in Rule 9-4 or 9-5 for rule 10-6 not to apply. In the absence of any exception 10-6 must apply.
Still the best way is to handle this situation should it even arrise is to use a little discression. Most likely the wording will be much clearer in 2006.