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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by MJT
First of all, I always listen to others arguments and admit willingly when I am wrong, or when I change my mind.
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Not this time, my friend. You've been unbending and dogmatic is all the discussions with regard to this rule. 
You would not listen to any discussion I had concerning #5 on the NF Part 1 exam. Now I've provided a play from the NF site. Do you still maintain that #5 is false?
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Penalty enforcement is based on the all but one principle. All fouls accept fouls by A behind the BS are enforced from the BS, with the only exceptions being those in 10-5. Do any of you know a time when we do not use the all but one?
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You're kidding, right. I can give you dozens of examples of fouls that are penalized based on ABO.
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Dogmatic is pretty harsh! Regarding question number 5, it says "if substitute B12 enters the field during a down but does not participate or influence the play, it is a nonplayer foul." On the NF webpage, under casebook clarifications it says, and I quote "*9.6 COMMENT, Page 71: b: If a substitute enters the field during the down,
but does not make any contact with an opponent or touch the ball and does not influence the play(the bold preceding this has been crossed out) it is illegal participation and a live-ball foul enforced from the basic spot. (9-6-4a) NOTE: Based on the rules change, officials are strongly encouraged to make certain that the substitutes entry into the field had some impact on the play and was not incidental to viewing the game or simply being in the bench area."
Now if I am missing something, let me know, but that seems pretty clear that with the NF clarification, which is what #5 says, it is False. Seeing that, do you still disagree? If so, no problem, we disagree.
No, I am serious,
other than the exceptions in 10-5, which I did mention above, what are other A penalties not enforced by the all but one? Maybe I am missing something here as well.