[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Sorry, but you are not correctly applying the advantage/disadvantage concept, you are advocating misapplying the rules of basketball, and JR duly admonished you for holding this position.

You cannot BY RULE do what you write above because the ball is DEAD at the time of the violation, unless A1 has already started the trying motion. Therefore, you can't wait for A1 to shoot. Put simply, the problem is that the goal doesn't count if the violation precedes the try, NO MATTER WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO BLOW THE WHISTLE.

If A1 has started the trying motion you could blow the whistle for B1's violation and award the ball OOB to Team A whether the try is successful or not, just as if B1 had fouled A2.

IOW the advantage/disadvantage concept must be applied within the rules, not used as a means to circumvent them and apply your own personal standard of justice.

PS IMO no official who practices your advice is going to stick around very long at any level, especially the higher ones.

If there's a God, Nevada, then He's gonna let me be present when the defender who went OOB in this play subsequently comes back in and fouls A1 on the shot.

What's your call on that one, Johnny?

Call the delayed violation? I wanna be there when you try to explain to the coach of the shooting team why he now isn't gonna get his 2 free throws. What's your explanation to him gonna be as to why you didn't blow your whistle when the violation occurred?

Call the foul? I wanna be there when you try to explain to the coach of the defensive team why his team is now getting charged with a foul and his opponents are getting 2 free throws when the correct call woulda only have been a violation. What's your explanation to him gonna be as to why you didn't blow your whistle when the violation occured?

We don't know yet how the FED is gonna tell us to treat defensive violations of this rule. We should find out before the season starts, but until then all we can do is speculate- which is what we are doing in this thread. Speculation is fine, but that still doesn't change my opinion that delaying your whistle from one call to another completely different call is ever a good idea. It sureashell ain't imo.

Hold your whistle while A1 finishes getting in position, takes a pass, goes up with a shot from the corner and then misses that shot? And then possibly make a call that has absolutely nothing to do with that sequence but is applicable to a play that happened before it? I repeat, that's just terrible advice imo, Johnny.