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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
As to it being good defense, if you are saying it's "good defense" for B to knock the ball away from A by hitting A's hand while it's on the ball, we have very different definitions of good defense. How can you call B hitting A intentionally good defense?
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I'm talking about the play where B tries to tap? bump? guide? the ball away from A, and in the process B provides the force for the ball to go oob, but does it without ever touching the ball. It's a play on the ball, and the contact is incidental to the play, and A is the last one to touch, so B gets the ball for a throw-in. What's not to like?
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It's kinda hard imo to say the contact was "incidental" when B ended up gaining a definite advantage from the contact.
Incidental contact is something that doesn't affect a play. I don't think you can say that about B's contact in this particular play. The contact made A lose possession of the ball.
That's what I don't like and that's why I wouldn't give B the ball for a throw-in.
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But by rule, is your position legitimate? If you think the contact wasn't incidental, you should call a foul, right?
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Jeeze, I thought I clarified that way back......
My position is legitimate(in my mind).....but wrong by rule.
You're right, Juulie; imo the only options by rule are a foul on B1 or a B throw-in. Just my own observation, but I think that most of the time though A gets the ball back through the idea conveyed before by somebody--the principle that B1 actually caused the ball to go OOB.
Now, how does everyone else call this play in real life?