Homerun/Ejection/Forfeit

DG

Originally posted by bluezebra

Originally posted by Tim C
At least correctness was served.

http://www.hickoryrecord.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=HDR/MGArticle/HDR_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031781630817&path=

The call was in error and the State corrected it.

As I posted above even state interpreters can misstate the rule and cause great problems.

For those of you who had lost track of the ruling:

The original umpire had ejected players for a celebration during a DEAD BALL and that is not of what the POE speaks.

The State did not correct it. They chickened out. Since the gross misinterpretation of the rule came on a dead ball, West Caldwell should have been declared the winner, 10-2.

Bob

The article said the HR made it 10-2, but the original post said the score was 10-2 when the HR was hit. If the post was correct the final score should have been 12-2 and game over on the 10 run rule.

[Edited by DG on Mar 19th, 2005 at 03:24 PM]

cowbyfan1

Originally posted by DG

Originally posted by bluezebra

Originally posted by Tim C
At least correctness was served.

http://www.hickoryrecord.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=HDR/MGArticle/HDR_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031781630817&path=

The call was in error and the State corrected it.

As I posted above even state interpreters can misstate the rule and cause great problems.

For those of you who had lost track of the ruling:

The original umpire had ejected players for a celebration during a DEAD BALL and that is not of what the POE speaks.

The State did not correct it. They chickened out. Since the gross misinterpretation of the rule came on a dead ball, West Caldwell should have been declared the winner, 10-2.

Bob

The article said the HR made it 10-2, but the original post said the score was 10-2 when the HR was hit. If the post was correct the final score should have been 12-2 and game over on the 10 run rule.

[Edited by DG on Mar 19th, 2005 at 03:24 PM]

Exactly, it would have ended it per the original post. To me the fair thing would have been to pick it back up from the spot of the home run as this really sounds like a protest situation. Not sure if NC allows protests but, to any extent, justice was not fully served here.

Personally, I keep the kids off the dirt around home plate, I give the catcher a ball and tell him to take it to the pitcher and then let them have their celebration of the HR as long as no one does anyting directed at the other team.

Kaliix

Tim,
What were you smoking when you made that response? The state didn't correct anything. The umpire made the wrong call, period. The correct thing to do would be to replay the game from 10-2 when the "forfeit" occured.

They completely chickened out.

Originally posted by Tim C
Bob whatever you think.

-sigh-

Tim C

Kaliix:

Because in my opinion when an official makes this much of a gross error I believe that in fairness the game should be replayed.

It is my opinion and that will not change.

bluezebra

1..I misread the original post. The home run should have stood, making the score 12-2, and the 10-run rule put into effect. Game over.

2..To replay the game is a gross misjustice to West Caldwell. To replay the game from the point of the misinterpretation is also an injustice.

Bob

cbfoulds

Originally posted by Tim C
Kaliix:

Because in my opinion when an official makes this much of a gross error I believe that in fairness the game should be replayed.

Tee:
Because he, in all probability, completely FUBAR'd the rest of the game?

O/W why not "fix" the error, which in this case would be BZ's outcome: 12-2, game over, W. Caldwell wins/ 10-run Rule.

Not arguing/ seeking to persuade: just askin'.

---Carter

Kaliix

Am I reading the same article as everyone else?

To directly quote the article "When a bunch of the Warriors greeted Scott Hodge at home plate after his two-run home run in the fifth put them ahead 10-2, all but three members of the team were disqualified under a national high school rule that says:..."

The HR Hodge hit put them ahead 10-2, then all but three players were disqualified.

The umpire screwed the pooch big time. He applied the rule incorrectly. Why is it so hard to fathom that the his error should be corrected and the game played from that point, with West Caldwell up 10-2?

Tim, thanks for responding. I respect you opinion, I just wholeheartedly disagree with it.

DG

The original poster said the score was 10-2 when the HR was hit and the newspaper said the HR made the score 10-2 so I don't know which is right. But the best way to fix this error would be to play from the time of the error, game over if the HR made it 12-2, game continues if the HR made the score 10-2.

W. Caldwell is a 2A school less than a half hour away from S. Caldwell, a 4A school. So this was a non-conference game, and replaying it might not fit into future plans for either team.

TNblu

All of these reasons that have been listed are in regards to a live ball. This is not a live ball situation. The ball is not in play. If a ball goes out of the field of play (i.e. in the stands, dugout, or over the fence) it is a dead ball. So all of those rules should be ruled out. If there is a rule in your association about leaving the dugout then there is nothin to discuss, they left the dugout and you took to appropriate action. But this has nothing to do with a live ball and sometimes a warning will suffice. The umpires are not supposed to affect the game, they are supposed to officiate it. Had the umpires not been there, a different team would have won with no objection. A 10-2 ballgame is a game that should just end on its own.

ecurebel

i don't think that it was the size of his balls but the lack of the size of his brain. around where i umpire there is a team that we call that rule for. this team will walk out and congradulate anyone for making any decent play pretty much, homeruns, sacs, rbi's and so forth. the umpires around the area tend to tell the players that the dirt is off limits or to hold back and let him touch the plate in view of everyone.

DG

Originally posted by TNblu
All of these reasons that have been listed are in regards to a live ball. This is not a live ball situation. The ball is not in play. If a ball goes out of the field of play (i.e. in the stands, dugout, or over the fence) it is a dead ball. So all of those rules should be ruled out. If there is a rule in your association about leaving the dugout then there is nothin to discuss, they left the dugout and you took to appropriate action. But this has nothing to do with a live ball and sometimes a warning will suffice. The umpires are not supposed to affect the game, they are supposed to officiate it. Had the umpires not been there, a different team would have won with no objection. A 10-2 ballgame is a game that should just end on its own.

Welcome to the forum, but I can't help but wonder why your first post was about a 3.5 month old subject?

LilLeaguer

Originally posted by DG
Welcome to the forum, but I can't help but wonder why your first post was about a 3.5 month old subject?

Maybe he wants to know who won the replay?

-LL

Blue37

Originally posted by TNblu
All of these reasons that have been listed are in regards to a live ball. This is not a live ball situation. The ball is not in play. If a ball goes out of the field of play (i.e. in the stands, dugout, or over the fence) it is a dead ball. So all of those rules should be ruled out. If there is a rule in your association about leaving the dugout then there is nothin to discuss, they left the dugout and you took to appropriate action. But this has nothing to do with a live ball and sometimes a warning will suffice. The umpires are not supposed to affect the game, they are supposed to officiate it. Had the umpires not been there, a different team would have won with no objection. A 10-2 ballgame is a game that should just end on its own.

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