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Originally posted by drinkeii
See - another post from an official who thinks they are always right. The coaches don't have much control over the contact on the floor. If the refs pass on fouls that allow the game to get out of control, it is most assuradly their fault. Yes, the coaches can tell their teams to go out and head-hunt, or to play nice... what the players do isn't always completely up to the coach. And there are many coaches who teach dirty tactics, to gain an advantage, hoping the refs don't notice or call it.
In this case, it wasn't your fault. But to say that the officials have no responsibility for the safety of the players, and that it is the coach's fault is completely wrong. Not an opinion... that is just completely wrong.
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Are you sure you are an official?
Seriously, when an official decides not to call a foul, it is their fault? That makes no sense at all. I have seen smaller players take on much bigger players and the bigger player did nothing but be big. I guess if a big player sets a legal screen and no teammate calls out the screen for a smaller player and that player hits the floor hard, I guess the officials should take responsibility for not making a call? Dude, what world are you living in? I have called fouls in many rough games and the players or coaches do not stop. That is why players have 5 fouls and teams shoot after 7 fouls.
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Originally posted by drinkeii
And what opinion is that? I have a slightly different take on things, because I don't believe any official (myself included) is perfect. Some of you guys do. And that is why you're saying you refuse to accept any responsibility when players do get hurt because of a lack of game control. The coaches are certainly within their rights to complain if a number of injuries occur in a game - the refs didn't keep it under control. Or the otehr option is that it is really horribly sloppy play, and that the officials couldn't do anything about it - that is a rare case, from what I have seen. Most sloppy play doesn't lead to injuries - only hard fouls that don't get called consistently.
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I had a game about 6 years ago where a player dislocated his ankle on a lay-up with no one around him. I guess I should feel like it was my responsibility for that very serious injury. As a matter of fact some of the most serious basketball injuries I have seen took place when no contact was made. I kid landed wrong, a slipped trying to make a cut or losing their balance after trying to dunk the ball. There was a kid just recently that died from my area in a tournament down south because he grabbed on the ring and fell on his head. I guess the officials caused that death in your eyes.
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Originally posted by drinkeii
I would love to hear the opinion you have of me - I attempt to protect the players as a ref, and as a coach. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all.
Also - if we weren't, as officials, responsible for anything that occurs out on the floor safety-wise, as you say, then why would we need any kind of liability insurance? The coaches would, in your scenario, because they're responsible for excessive contact and fouling, regardless of what the officials choose to call.
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Our job is to call the game according to the rules and the spirit of those rules. Our job is not to protect all players from possible injury. I can call an obvious flagrant foul and a player will still get hurt. I can also call a foul every time there is contact and still have a very serious injury when a player takes actions into his own hands. Not sure what you are talking about. I think coaches have more of a responsibility to keep their player's safe and their opponents. I have seen a lot of teams try dirty tactics and then blame the officials when we make a call. Then you go out of your way to remove us from a conference or off a game when we call things not to your liking.
Do not give me this "it is the official's responsibility" crap. I know as a football officials have seen very serious injuries and the game were played completely within the rules at the time of the injury. There is only so many things any official can do or see.
Peace