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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by blindzebra
The count starts when the ball is at the disposal, under normal play that is when the ball comes out of the net and the throwing team controls the ball.
Again this is under normal conditions, I'm not waiting until they get OOBs to start this count.
Check out CB 4.43.3.
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In a typcial case, it takes a player ~2 seconds to get OOB and get turned around for the throwin. Are you seriously telling me you only give them 3 seconds left from the time they could make a legal throwin to release the throwin? Sounds like a recipie for a T.
Furthermore, the casebook's only reference to "at the disposal" is for when the ball is bouncing around when no player has picked it up. The comment also mentions that the official should give teh team a moment or two in this case.
[Edited by Camron Rust on Jun 5th, 2005 at 06:32 AM]
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2 seconds to go 4 feet and turn around?
You must count like a jack-rabbit.
Seriously, under normal play they take the ball from the net or off the bounce and are already heading toward the boundary.
It takes a split second to register disposal and to start the count. By this time they are usually OOB and at most I'm at the open end of my one count,i.e. half way, when they get there.
By your interpretation you could have as much as 7 or 8 seconds come off the clock from the time they get control until you'd have a violation.
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If they're hustling...I agree, less than a second...the gap between grabbing the ball and getting OOB will be very small. If they not hustling, it can easily be over a second...perhaps 2 or more.
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So why reward them for not hustling?
Why take game time from the other team?
If it is obvious confusion causing a delay to make the throw in, I am more likely to wait for the light to come on to judge disposal.
But they get no break for not hustling, and I believe that falls under delaying and by rule the count should start.
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Why should they be required to grab the ball as fast as possible too? There should be a reasonable speed expected.
In a parallel situation, disposal is defined in CB 8.1.1A: A1 is awarded two free throws. After the players have had sufficient opportunity and time to take their positions for the first throw, the administering official bounces the ball to the free thrower. Did the official follow proper procedure? RULING: Yes. On free throws, the word "disposal" is interpreted to mean that the official shall bounce the ball to the free thrower, but if the free thrower refuses to accept it, the official may place the ball on the floor at the free-throw line and begin the count. This procedure constitutes putting the ball at the free-thrower's disposal.
This (and supported by CB 6.1.2B) establishes a definition for at the disposal. It is when the official has given a team sufficient opportunity and time to be in the right spot to execute the free throw (or throwin) but have not done so on their own.
Nothing requires that they sprint to the ball and to OOB to make the throwin.
As an aside, this CB play also addresses the players playing musical lane spots we recently discussed...put the ball in play after sufficient opportunity and time has been given.