Wed Jun 01, 2005, 08:12am
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In Memoriam
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hell
Posts: 20,211
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
NFHS Rule 9 SECTION 11 BASKET INTERFERENCE
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EXCEPTION: In Articles 1 or 2, if a player has his/her hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if such contact with the ball continues after it enters a basket cylinder...
I fail to see what's unclear about this. No BI. The exception says "a player", not a specific player. If the defender had his hand in contact with the ball before it entered the cylinder, his hand may legally remain in contact with it even if it enters the cylinder. The shooter doesn't get a free bucket for being able to push the blocker's hand over the rim.
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I agree with Camron. The NFHS rule does not specify the offensive player. It says "a player."
The NBA rule does however specify the offensive player.
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The NFHS certainly does specify the offensive player- right at the end of the EXCEPTION in R4-6.
The NFHS rule,as part of the EXCEPTION, very explicitly states: "Dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket interference". The whole EXCEPTION, as I read it, therefore relates only to someone trying to dunk or stuff the ball. If they wanted the EXCEPTION to relate to all of the players on the floor, they wouldn't have had to put that clarification at the end. It would be extraneous and wouldn't be needed at all.
[Edited by Jurassic Referee on May 31st, 2005 at 02:37 PM]
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JR is not right on this one and I can conclusively prove it.
Everyone please open your Simplified and Illustrated book to page 68 and look at diagrams 1 and 2 at the top of the page. They depict this exact play. The caption below quite clearly states (in part), "In (2), No. 4 forces the ball and the hand of No. 3 into the cylinder. There is no violation by either player and a held ball with alternating-possession results."
Now if I'd been around over the holiday weekend, I could have posted this earlier, but then everyone would have missed out on those 3 pages of fun.
For the record, I think Chuck's play, in which the defender doesn't touch the ball until AFTER it is already in the cylinder even though the offensive player hasn't released it yet during his dunk attempt, is basket interference. That rule should be amended. Simply make it so that the defender gets an exception to BI if the offensive player hasn't yet released the ball.
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Nice try, Nevada. Too bad you're talking about something completely different than the play being discussed. We WERE discussing Chuck's sitch where the defender touched the ball AFTER the shooter put it in the cylinder. If we discussing the play that you are referencing above, we wouldn't have had to go to the Manual. We coulda just used the one in the rule book that covers it- i.e. casebook play 9.11.
The defender touching the ball AFTER it enters the cone on a dunk attempt is a completely different play.
Apples and oranges iow.
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