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Originally posted by CoachJM
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by LDUB
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Originally posted by gsf23
I've seen the bell unrung, I saw it in the majors at the beginning of last season.
Runner at second, batter hits a ball down the first base line that 1st base umpire calls foul. Manager comes out to argue, the crew gets together, change it to a fair ball, place the batter at second and score the runner.
So, in the majors at least, there is precedent to unring the bell.
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The Federation specifically prohibits that.
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LDUB,
I can see where a verbal "Foul Ball" make the ball dead immediately. [5-1-1h]
But R3 scored [5-2-2c], R2 is still at 2b (probably)
R1 is safe by [8-1-2b].
So now we have a "dead ball" misapplication of Rule.
By what rule may we not make it right?
It does not seem the "Foul!" call affected any part of the play during unrelaxed action.
mick
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Mick,
Have you seen the following "enhanced" FED Official Interpretation, brand new for 2005?
"SITUATION 3: With one out and a 1-1 count, the batter hits a high fly ball in left field near the foul line. The umpire declares Foul Ball as the fly ball is subsequently caught by the left fielder. RULING: Once the umpire verbally declares Foul Ball, the ball is dead and treated as foul ball. The batter will return to bat with a 1-2 count and still one out. (5-1-1h)"
No, I most certainly did NOT make this up!!! Go to the FED website and see for yourself.
http://www.nfhs.org/scriptcontent/va...Footer=BB_FOOT
I believe this ruling clearly supports LDUB's assertion. So, under FED, we have R3's run nullified, R2 back at 2B and the batter back at the plate with a strike possibly added to his count.
Or am I misreading this interpretation? (God, I sure hope so!!!)
JM
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Thanks Coach.
2004 SITUATION 10: With 1 out and R1 on first and a count of 2-1, B2 hits a bouncing ball along the first base foul line. U1 mistakenly declares Foul! as F1 picks up the ball in fair territory. RULING:
The ball is dead immediately. R1 returns to first. B2 continues at bat with a count of 2-2. (5-1-1h)
Fine! During unrelaxed action BR and R1 heard "foul" and didn't run.
2005 SITUATION 3: With one out and a 1-1 count, the batter hits a high fly ball in left field near the foul line. The umpire declares Foul Ball as the fly ball is subsequently caught by the left fielder. RULING:
Once the umpire verbally declares Foul Ball, the ball is dead and treated as foul ball. The batter will return to bat with a 1-2 count and still one out. (5-1-1h)
There has to be words missing!!! ...Oh! the sun wasn't in the umps eyes 
2005 SITUATION 4: With the bases empty, the batter hits a long fly ball down the left-field line that easily goes over the outfield fence. With the sun in his eyes, the plate umpire initially declares Foul Ball, but then realizes he made a mistake, that the ball did indeed go over the fence in flight in fair territory. RULING: The umpire may reverse his call and declare a home run. The ball is dead because it left the field by going over the fence in flight, not because the umpire declared, Foul Ball. (10-2-1l, 5-1-1f-4, 8-3-3a)
Did the ump make the call before or after he didn't see the ball go over?
mick
These situations do not make enough sense to administer.
It is noted that the Fed Baseball Rules Book does not have the introducing section "THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE RULES" as is found in the Fed Softball and the Fed Basketball rules books.
Thus, it is clear that both "Intent and Purpose" is missing in that sport.