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In a Junior League division of little league baseball a player was hit by a pitch,catcher threw the ball to first baseman for the hidden ball trick.Plate umpire thought the pitcher was on the pitching plate with the ball and announced "play".Runner on first took a lead and was tagged out.Offensive team argued play was legal but PU let play stand. Shouldn't this have been a balk call? I see it as picher was on pitching plate without ball or pitcher was straddling pitching plate in order to decieve,with either situation a balk call and runner awarded second base.Am I right? 
			
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 Rackster, 
Yes. 
8.05 Penalty (1) - " Straddling the pitcher's plate without the ball is to be interpreted as an intent to deceive and ruled a balk." 
 
mick 
			
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 You can not balk a dead ball. You can not put it in play after a dead ball without the pitcher having the ball.  You can not have a hidden ball trick after a dead ball. 
 
This was discussed here earlier this year and I learned my lesson. 
 
[Edited by DG on May 14th, 2005 at 10:13 PM] 
			
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 DG,
What do you mean "I can't" do those things?
3.12 makes the ball live. 5.02 makes the ball live.
Does 8.05 requires a live ball? Does 5.11 cancel 3.12, 5.02, 8.05? ...By what rule?
I can do those things (won't but can.).
Is there a Little League rule or even a weak implication to what you say I "can't do"? 

Thanks.
mick