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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by icallfouls
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Player A may have started it, but they both delayed the game. Whack 'em both. That sends the necessary message with the least disruption to the game.
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Come on Chuck! There is no way you are going to call that in a college game, and you know it. Be honest.
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As others have said, I doubt it would come to that in a college game. But if it did, I don't see what could be wrong with handling it with a double T. Both players were delaying. Neither would listen to my instructions. Why shouldn't I whack 'em? If a coach is on the floor and I tell him 3 times that he needs to find his box, but he doesn't. . . whack! I don't see how this is different.
And as I said earlier, you send exactly the message that you want (Knock it off now, or you're done!) without disrupting the game (no FTs, no change of possession). As far as I can tell, it's a win-win solution. What am I missing? 
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I would love to be there to hear your explanation. "Mr. Assignor, I couldn't get them to hold their spots on the lane for a FT so I whacked them." Can you honestly say that your assignor is going to say "I am glad you were there to take care of it."
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If I tell him it was necessary, then yes, I believe that he would say "Way to keep the game moving." [/B]
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Chuck,
Beleive me, I can see where everyone is coming from on this, but for this situation when there were no apparent other game management techniques used, the punishment does not fit the crime. Heck yes, send a message, but don't send the wrong message either, that the crew expended all reasonable options before the T, not in this case. Suppose it is on tape. At least with a coach who is on the floor, it is easy to tell that you are trying to get them back to the box.
Now, when the second player started to move and without receiving any warning to have a double T called. The officials, imo, would be out of line.
I am sure that there are many of us out there that have seen two players get tangled up, or tied up on a jump ball and we could see things flaring up, but rather than T them, we used a different game management technique. I know I have, especially when the situation wasn't going to lead to something more. The transgression in these situations warrants a T more than Player A who won't hold his spot because the crew didn't take charge.
My only suggestion on this has been to use more game management skills and common sense before issuing a T here. I can honestly say that this would not happen in my game, at any level and I would not have to give a T to make my point.
[Edited by icallfouls on May 11th, 2005 at 07:18 PM]