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Originally posted by IUgrad92
Man Rut, your selective reading makes for unreadable replies you make. Goose said he didn't recall Kareem fouling out A LOT (I don't either!). He didn't say Kareem NEVER fouled out, as you suggest.
Pretty tacky to change someone's statement, just so that you can make an argumentative point.
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You are the last person to try to tell me what I have to prove when you stated FIBA officials in the Olympics were better than NBA officials. Of course that is an opinion. When it was very clear that the best in many parts of the world were not even allowed to officiate the 2004 Olympic Games, you really have much nerve.
I did not bring up Kareem. But I used to watch a lot of NBA games and Kareem was in foul trouble a lot. Especially when they played the Celtics and he had to go up against Hakeem and other up and coming Centers in the league at that time.
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Originally posted by IUgrad92
Funny too, that someone makes a statement and you ask them for statistics and proof. Yet, you make a statement and don't think it's necessary to provide the same proof that you demand.
Shaq and Duncan foul out a lot??? I guess it depends on what your definition of 'a lot' it. Fouling out once every 3-4 games is a lot, IMHO. I guarantee these guys don't foul out that often.
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Well we are not using your definition. I bet you that Shaq fouled out at least 10 times this year. Shaq only played in 73 games. He led the Heat this year in fouls with 3.60 per game. Dwayne Wade the other superstar averaged 3.00 fouls per game. Udonis Haslem was the second highest on the Heat team with 3.30 fouls per game. Eddie Jones was next with 3.10 on the Heat team.
When I looked at the Spurs, Tim Duncan had 2.20 Fouls per game in 66 games. There were two players that averaged more. The top fouler was Rasho Nesterovic with 3.00 a Center on the Spurs.
What does this mean, well that depends? It clearly shows on these two teams who the superstars are the front line players they fouled more. If you look at the other players, you will see that in general the guards for the most part did not foul that much unless they put up a lot minutes.
Unfortunately I could not find a stat that ranked the players league wide, but this is more research than you have done. Remember, you said that the NBA officials do not call fouls on these players and they are near the top on their team. If they are not fouling, who is?
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Originally posted by IUgrad92
Can someone make a good argument as to why, if NBA players are so much more highly skilled, etc., they are given leeway in regards to 'extra' steps to make their offensive moves (dunks, etc.)
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We do not have to explain that, you need to explain what that means to us. Extra steps have nothing to do with traveling. Moving a pivot foot does. I think Tony said it best, I can look at any gym at any level and I can call out many travels that were not made. The NBA is not the only place where traveling is not call consistently. Part of the problem is that it is hard to call. A D1 NCAA Conference Assignor said at a banquet a few years back, "Traveling is the most inconsistent call in college basketball." I watched part of the Pacers-Celtics game and Antoine Walker (Chi-town) get called for a travel trying to make a move to the basket.
Where is your proof?
Peace