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Originally posted by Goose
to JRutledge:
>That is just crap. Shaq and Tim Duncan foul out a lot. These are two of the best big men in the >game and they foul out in big games and when the spotlight is the brightest.
Purely an assumption. IÂ’d like to see the stats. As I said, when they do foul out, it makes news all over the papers and this thread proves my point. When was the last time that Steve Nash fouling out made headlines?
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Look them up. I am sure this is on the internet somewhere. Maybe that information is on NBA.com.
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Originally posted by Goose
As for bigmen or centers in general, how many times did Wilt foul out? None! DonÂ’t recall Kareem fouling out a lot either, and Duncan is not even in the same league as those two. Again, the issue remains that the NBA NEEDS their stars to stay in the game or there will be a collective 'click' heard throughout the land.
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You do not recall Kareem fouling out? Dude, you really do not know your basketball. I cannot speak for Wilt. I was not alive during most of his career. I do remember Kareem and if you think he never fouled out, you did not watch much basketball.
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Originally posted by Goose
Now, does baseball survive without Barry Bonds who is arguably the best player in the game? Could the NBA survive without Shaq? That was the big question after Jordan left as to who would now carry the torch. This only appears in the NBA from what I can tell. Baseball will exist, and exist on a high level without Bonds, Pedro, Manny, Mantle, Ryan, Mays, Rose, etc. The NFL will florish without Peyton, or Brett. In fact, it just keeps getting better while the NBA continues its downward spiral. IMO it has sacrificed the game for the sake of entertaining the fans.
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Baseball is a different game. The game of baseball does not change in style because someone is playing. The style of basketball is constantly changing. The NFL changes as players change and coaching philosophies change. The NFL today is nothing like it was in the 70s or 60s. And one of the things that make the NFL and MLB different is the history. The Chicago Bears and Green Bay Packers have been around since early part of the 20th century. Even NFL teams that have moved still maintain their names for the most part. The Rams, Cardinals and Colts are all examples of teams that have kept their names after a move from one city to another. That is all apples and oranges.
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Originally posted by Goose
>Perimeter players like Michael Jordan or Allen Iverson are >not going to foul out. They do not block shots and they >are not the last line of defense in or around the basket.
But Jordan was regarded as the best defensive player at the time, or at least was on the all defensive team many years. I would suspect that anyone that was regarded as such a great defender would commit more fouls. As you have stated, it is the defenders that are/do commit more fouls. But I guess he just moved his feet better.
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You think better defensive players commit more fouls?
You just lost all credibility right there.
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Originally posted by Goose
>Does it ever occur to people that stars do not foul or get >fouled because they make better decisions?
And it just could be, could be, that Jordan was pumping in millions of viewers in the same way Tiger Woods does for the PGA. What would the ratings have been if Jordan constantly got in foul trouble, or didnÂ’t play? The ratings dictate a lot and what makes anyone think that it doesnÂ’t play a part in the NBA.
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So are you telling me it was a conspiracy that Jordan was healthy all the time in his career? If a player fouls out it is usually at the end of the game. Players do not foul out in the first 5 minutes of the game. During the Bulls first championship, it was the bench that had an amazing run, not the starters which included Jordan.
It is obvious to me you just do not like the NBA game. It is obvious to me you do not watch or follow much basketball. Stars foul out all the time. I see stars get frustrated and get thrown out for their behavior.