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Originally posted by Gre144
Maybe I am looking into this deep but it seems that in all offensive cases, except for a person who violates the courtesy runner rule, an illegal sub is someone who:
re-enters the game while BOO.
If this is not the case can you think of one situation where you have a illegal substitute who is batting in the correct order?(not including the exception for violating the rule for courtesy runners)
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Yes -- a player who is not eligible to reenter and who reenters the game, even in his "correct" batting spot is an illegal sub. See 2-36 for the 5 types of "illegal subs".
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This brings me to my question:
Assume A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I
1) Illegal substitute Jones enters for batter A who is the proper batter . Discovery is made while Jones is at the plate. Would A (or a legal sub for A) or B replace Jones at the plate?
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Didn't we just do this? What's the penalty for an illegal sub who is at bat? If A (or a legal sub) bats next, how do we prove the scorecard? Where (in what box on the scorecard) do we record the out? B is the next batter.
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2) Ilegal Substitute Jones enters for Batter A when he should have entered for batter G. Jones hits a single. Batter B get up and receives the first pitch for a ball. Coach protest illegal substitution and BOO. Should B remain at the plate or should batter H take his place since Batter H is the batter who follows G for whom Jones should have replaced. I guess I'm wondering if Jones is locked in with G or is he now locked in with A since a ball was thrown to B?
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The penalty for illegal sub supercedes the penalty for BOO. I've got J in for A, out-and-out, and B remains at the plate. Had this been discovered before the pitch to B, then it's not covered in the rules. IMHO, J is still out-and-out, A needs to reenter (or be replaced), and H is the proper batter.
Now, whether Mick and Steve's comments were right depends on which of the two scenarios I presented happened.