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Originally posted by DG
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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Originally posted by Chris_Hickman
IMO... The runner should never been called out. Is there a rule that says that on a BB (award), the runner on base needs to advance to the awarded base in a straight line and cannot deveate from the baseline? NO! It would look strange, but the runner @ 2nd could walk directly towards the mound and then turn and go to 3rd without any penalty.
If he crossed the foul line... thats a diffent issue.
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Why is it a different issue? What makes the foul line special?
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The NCAA Study Guide I have indicates that for R2 he should be called out for abandonment when he crosses the foul line. And as I asked earlier, would this not be a timing play, ie if R3 crossed home before R2 crossed foul line-ballgame?
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That's great. 8-5c says a runner heading for his dugout or defensive position is automatically charged with abandonment.
Carl, in the BRD, cites 8-1a as the reason why all runners must advance in the NCAA in this situation, but I don't see anything quite like this in 8-1a. To me, it's a stretch, and I simply would apply the OBR rule unless specifically told otherwise. Even Carl calls it an "appeal play" and not an abandonment issue, though.
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8-5c also says "believing a put out was made" which does not apply in this case. If R3 touches home and BR touches 1B I would call ballgame on a bases loaded walk in the bottom of the last inning. Everybody in attendance would expect this to be the call.
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It's the closest thing that applies.
Hey, I agree with you. I don't consider what Carl posted to be convincing evidence of the intent of the NCAA rules editor. But he obviously posted what he did for a reason and he called this an appeal play in FED/NCAA.