Fri Mar 11, 2005, 11:38am
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Originally posted by scyguy
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Do you have to verbalize that the protected runner is safe and at the same time get in a position to make a call on the second runner?
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How is this any different than making *any* call and getting in position for another? The movement you describe would happen whether or not obstruction was part of the play.
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The difference is a verbal indication at 3B. My question is not centered around position, but informing runner at third that he is not out. But I thought about this last night. Doesn't the 3B coach need to understand the rules? If he cannot inform his runner to stay on base, and subsuquency advance, then what kind of coach is he? If I indicate obs when contact occurs, then the coach should know the rule. If runner leaves 3B and returns to dugout, we have an out for abandonment.
By the way, the rule for abandonment is 8-4-2p, if that is what you were refering to.
[Edited by scyguy on Mar 11th, 2005 at 08:50 AM]
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Don't have my book in front of me , but read Obstruction definition...2-22,(?). I think it talks about the umpire having the authority to decide where everyone is to end up , at the end of playing action. I would recommend forgetting about "abandonment" here, unless you are 100% sure you clearly indicated your call and intentions. You are the one that has to make it clear and if not, you have the authority to rectify the situation at the end of playing action. Forget about wether there was a coach or not.
I don't think awarding R1 home in this case is out of the question. Make sure you take note if the runner comes back and tags the plate though.
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good point, 2-22-1 does have that stipulation, but if runner is in the dugout when you kill play you are not going to instruct him to come back out and touch home. My initial thought on this situation would be to grant the run (even if he did not touch home) based on 2-22-1. This action would seem to be appropriate. But a case could be made for abandonment.
At what point do we put some of the responsiblity on the coaches? Do they understand obs? If not, why aren't they seeking understanding?
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Be careful, if the runner does not touch, the defense may appeal.
I believe that good coaches no more about the rules than given credit for. We are their to assure compliance with the rules as fairly as possible. They are there to win the game. Unfortunately, there are many times that winning takes precedence over everthing else.
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