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Old Tue Mar 08, 2005, 10:47pm
jbduke jbduke is offline
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Aurabass,

I saw the end of the game live, and I immediately thought two mistakes had been made. I've been proved right on one of those thoughts (mistake to administer a do-over), and your photos and analysis as a video-tech type have me belieiving that I was right on the other point, also, that the toe was not indeed touching the line.

You've gotten roasted on the last couple of pages for attempting to come up with a novel "principle," which would be a de facto rule if applied. I simply don't think that what you proposed is practicable.

Where I will defend you, however, is that nobody here seems (my apologies if I have missed something) to have countered your original objection, which I read to be the certainty that was expresseed by the crew chief after having looked at the replay.

Your physical evidence has demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that camera angles can distort our sense of reality. You very reasonably argue that this notion should be considered when officials are examining replays. I agree with you in theory that it is wise that we understand the capacity of video to distort what actually occurred on the floor.

The problem is what we do when we attempt to apply our new knowledge. The rules state that if the crew is unsure, we must rule two points. Even if Enterline knew what you know, he couldn't be sure. The data you have provided on video/pixels/etc. can only add doubt where there might not have been any; it can never remove all doubt. Given the rules and the looks available to the crew, they were professionally bound to rule the play a two-point basket.

I feel your frustration with what you reasonably view as an unjust result. Unfortunately, there is no new rule that the available knowledge base affords us that would allow us to get this play right in the future. The only possibility, one we all hope for, is the perfect camera angle. To your credit, you have given us help in assessing which camera angles are optimal; unfortunately you haven't given us any help in being able to time-travel to make such angles available on replay.

My sense is that if Enterline had simply stated that the crew was unsure after looking at replays, and thus had no choice but to rule two points, you could have accepted the result more peacefully, and maybe peaceably.

FWIW, I appreciate your contributions to this thread, even if I did find some much more fruitful than others. I think that given the contribution that you made earlier in the thread, you probably deserved more civil treatment by some of the regular posters here, but then again my assessments of different situations are often at odds with those that took you to task, so who knows. At the risk of repeating others' mistakes, I will humbly offer you a rule of thumb you might use in the consideration of future posts here: use great care in proposing new rules, rules of thumb, etc. Rules do get changed, and when that happens, the result is sometimes--but not always--an improvement; but these instances are relatively few and far between, and normally involve many years of thought and at least a season or two of experimentation (at least at the college level). So, I'm not telling you that you don't have any good ideas about how to make the game better, just to consider them very carefully before posting in a referees' forum.

Take care, and know that we are much more concerned than any fan could ever be about getting plays correct.

John