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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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Originally posted by blindzebra
Change it by taking out the player on the floor and have her standing.
You not going to call a foul with head to toe contact in an attempt to tie up the ball?
The ONLY reason A1 is not displaced is because of the floor. If the contact by the diving defender would displace A1 if she were standing, than it is a foul while she's on the floor.
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The floor is what makes this play completely different.
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Only for one reason and that is displacement.
Diving into another player will cause displacement most of the time. You can't displace a player on the floor without driving them THROUGH the floor.
In this situation the ONLY time I'm calling a held ball is if B is standing and the tie up PULLS her on top of A. A dive on top of another player that has the ball is a foul, it's not incidental contact.
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You're giving special treatment to the player on the floor, then. If I dive in and tie the ball up, it's held before any contact is made. Why bail the player out on the floor who is in the worst possible position to make anything happen?
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No, I'm applying the rules correctly.
By rule every player is entitled to their spot on the floor, EVEN if they are on the floor.
4-27-2 Contact that occurs unintentionally in an effort to reach a loose ball, or contact which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal off. and def. movements.
4-27-3 Similarly, contact which does not hinder normal off. or def. movements should be considered incidental.
Does diving on a player with the ball meet article 2? The ball was not loose and we did not have equally favorable positions.
Article 3? Kind of hard to sit up, dribble, shoot, or pass with the defender jumping on top of you.
So again, unless the ball is tied up BEFORE the dive, this does not fit incidental contact by rule.
