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Ahem,
DG commented:
"For this case it appears the runner was not scrambling, he was walking away from the plate and therefore relaxed."
And in another post noted:
"If he has walked away from the vicinity the unrelaxed action is over . . ."
Again he mentioned,
"A runner who has left the dirt area and is high-fiving his teammates near the dugout, who only tries to return when he realizes the defense is appealing, has passed by the immediate stage of this play. His actions as he walks away is a relaxed action . . ."
And continued:
"A runner slides past the plate, is on the ground in the dirt area, and is diving back to tag the plate. This is immediate. Tag him. A runner has left the dirt area and is high fiving his teammates . . ."
DG, with all due respect these quotes from your posts identify where you and I disagree.
First, in my experience, the "no tag, no touch" play at the plate is seldom, if ever, a slide and tag situation. In the most general of examples the play usually involves a runner who is out by a few steps, F2 is in possesion of the ball and there is a "dance step or two" by the runner and a swipe tag by F2 that misses.
The runner never winds up near the plate. The momentum of the runner carries him far from the plate (different sized DBT will make your mileage vary). When the runner tries to return the activities increase.
Second, it appears that you have tied a players physical activities with saying the play moves from unrealxed to relaxed. As I tried to say previously, the body language, the intenseness of the play does not change a play from one aspect to another -- it is the play (or lack thereof) and the final actions of players that make the change.
DG, it has become obvious to me that we sometimes get hung up on terms rather than activities.
I know you respect others thoughts on this what I ask is that you step back a little and think through the "average" situation where this occurs and consider the references that have been brought to the thread by others than myself.
I think we have all grown from this discussion.
Tee
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