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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 05:09pm
Tim C Tim C is offline
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Egads Man!

I have stayed out of the fray until now.

I stayed out for an obvious reason that will become evident.

I want to use a companion play to the original and then ask a question:

R2 -- outs don't matter.

Single to F8 and R2 is attempting to score . . .

We have a normal slide and tag play EXCEPT . . .

There is no tag and no touch of the plate by the sliding R2.

Now I have probably had this play about 50 to 100 times over my career.

About half the time no one recognizes (immediately) that I have made no signal. Runner starts to walk towards dugout and F2 stands near the dish head hanging and is "guessing" that the run scored.

Most of the time a voice rings out, "he missed the plate, he missed the plate!!!" and all attention is turned towards moi.

Now while the activity around the plate seems to be "relaxed" (i.e. runner is usually walking towards the dugout and catcher is still in the reflective state) it DOES NOT MEAN the play is relaxed . . . there is no outcome and therfore the PLAY is still "unrelaxed."

I have never taken the terms "relaxed" and "unrelaxed" to have anything to do with the players actions but it has everything to do with the activity of the play.

When my play continues we always see the famous R2 runner dance at home plate with R2 trying to figure out how to trick F2 to get exposed and let him sneak home.

The play, as always, has continued to be unrelaxed.

The play normally ends with F2 applying some type of TAG to end this dance.

First my question:

Would this play be different if it was a walk and R3 missing the dish?

Why did I stay out of this discussion so long?

I have to admit that I agree with Rich Ives!!!!!

It is rather obvious to me that a tag must be made as the play never became "relaxed".

Tee
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