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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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We are by rule permitted to take time off the clock when the timer makes an error. IOO we are authorized, by rule, to determine when the clock has started properly even in the case of a timer's error.
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OK, exactly how much time are you gonna take off the clock in this case?
Might as well answer my next question too at the same time:
How did you know that was the exact time that needed to be taken off the clock?
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Not sure where this is going but I take off exactly what I have definite knowledge of. (Is this a trick question?)
So I take off the time and let A1 re-enter. What's the problem again?
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If the timer never started the clock, then what "definite knowledge" do you have to take off the time? That's what I can't understand.
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Really...? OK, try this simple example of when anyone, even you, has definite knowledge:
I'm T on the throw-in at the endline. Before bouncing the ball to A1 I glance at the clock, it says 4:14. A1 completes the throw in, A2 catches it and I start my 10 second count. As we come up the court I glance up & notice the clock is still at 4:14 but my count is at 4. TWEEET. Please take 4 seconds off the clock please.
(Trick question??)
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Um, that's very nice. I agree with it too. You've got exact knowledge in that case and it's OK by rule to then use 5-10. But whatinthehell has it got to do with the situation we're arguing about?
The timer never started the clock. We don't have any exact knowledge of how much time should be taken off, if any. There is no rule that I know of that says that you can now start the clock and take some time off--because you don't have a clue exactly how much time should be taken off. We ain't allowed to guess under 5-10. And if the clock can't be started to take some time off, then the sub can't return, by rule, until the next time it does. [/B][/QUOTE]
Oooohhhhhh...the original play. Sorry.
In the original play I assume the clock has been properly started & stopped with zero time coming off on the quick chop/whistle and let A1 re-enter. I am allowed to do this because I do not have definite knowledge to the contrary.
As you said, I'm not allowed to guess.