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Originally posted by 112448
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
I'll say it one more time. Until supervisors, booking agents, and coaches decide that changes need to be made to the game, you can throw the POE out the window. Every year there's a new set of POE. But if the guy who books you isn't going to back you up when you enforce them, you're screwed. Stay away from the POE!
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BktBallRef --
i just looked at my NFHS book and i can't tell who the rules committee folks are, but in the NCAA the rules committee is made mostly OF COACHES (Dave Odom, Willis Wilson - Rice, and Roy Williams to name a couple). the coaches create and vote on the POE, if we don't enforce the POE, we're not doing what the coaches want.
As far as booking agents (assignors?) not backing you up -- there's not much you can do about that i guess, except to have someone else in your high school organization try to get that position. i certainly don't envy you in that regard.
Brian Watson wrote: "Prime example is rough play. It was a POE for so many years I thought it was a perm. part of the book."
My general feeling on this is that POE's are the biggest crock going because there are officials who ignore them. If we enforce them, especially during summer leagues and at the 9th grade and JV level, we CAN make a difference in the game. Referees need to have confidence in their calls and we all need to be more consistent, not only within the game, but from game to game.
If the coach of team X hates the fact that you're calling rough post play in the first game of the year that's understandable a little bit. If the coach of team X, however, is complaining to you in game 25 about rough post play, that means that the other officials in your association are not calling rough post play. That's not fair to you (as someone that IS calling rough post play) and most importantly it's not fair to the players.
Bottom line -- if we all enforce the POE's consistently, they will not "be a crock."
thoughts,
jake
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I used to think the way that you think, Jake. But let me tell you why most of what you posted is bull****. No offense meant.
First, the members of the Basketball Rules Committee are listed in the front of the book, not the back.
Secondly, I tried enforcing the POE that was in last year's rule book. Here's a sample of what happened.
1- Intentional fouls - Twice in December, I called hard fouls that were intentional fouls by the book. Both games were 4A conference games. I ended up popping the head coaches in both cases in the minutes that followed. They were unaccustomed to the rule being enforced the way the POE is written. The next thing I know is my booking agent, who respect and who has helped me tremendously, is telling me that we need to back off.
2- Palming/Carrying the Ball - Pretty much the same story. My partner and I were calling it by the book and by the POE. We were a nightmare for the Allen Iversons of the world. Enough coaches complained that we were told to back off and only call it when the dribbler gained an advantage.
I'm not alone in my experiences. Other officials on this board have had similiar experiences. If you have experienced it yet, you will. It's just a matter of time.
The point is that until everyone, coaches, officials, booking agents, athletic directors and state offices get on the same page, we're always going to have POE in the back of the book. And the fact is that we're never going to get everyone on the same page.
If you have a way to accomplish that, I would love to hear it.