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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #22 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 30, 2005, 12:06am

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
The only rules code that has offensive fouls is the NBA/WNBA code and I am not sure if it have the term player control in its rules.

Hey, MARK!! I've got news for you, every rules code has offensive fouls. They may be called personal fouls, team control fouls, player control fouls, and there may be other terms, but every code has offensive fouls. The NBA/WNBA are the only codes that dub them "Offensive Fouls."

Juulie:

Please show me the definition of "offensive foul" in Rule 4 of the NFHS and NCAA rules codes and Rule 6 of the FIBA rules code. If you can show me that definition in any of those three rules codes I will donate my next game fee to the charity of choice in your name.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. My next game is tonight: A boys' H.S. jr. varsity game with a game fee of $35.

Mark -- You completely misunderstand my point. There is no NFHS rule that names any fouls as "offensive". That doesn't mean that the team on offense doesn't commit fouls. My point is that the team on offense can commit fouls. That is what most people mean when they say the words "offensive foul." All codes cover the existence in actuality of fouls commited by the offense, although they may call them by other names. You can say, "NFHS doesn't use the word "offensive" as a title or category for fouls" but you can't say, the NFHS doesn't have offensive fouls. In common English, that would mean, "In NFHS, the offense can do whatever it wants, and it won't be a foul" which simply isn't true.

Juulie:

As a science professional (structural engineer) I have certain language to use. Example: I would never say "two and two is four;" I would say "two plus two equals four." Sports officials are professionals and should use the correct language of the sport one officiates.

I find it offensive that a basketball official describing a play using NFHS or NCAA rules to describe a common foul by a player of the team which is in control of the ball an offensive foul.

MTD, Sr.

Mark,

When you vocalize at the spot do you say hit or illegal use of the hands?

When the screener moves do you vocalize block...and confuse the hell out of everybody...or do you say illegal screen?

I'm offended that someone, who came up with and used "CONE OF VERTICALITY", would be offended by an official reffering to a foul...committed by the offense...as an offensive foul.

IF I HAVE SAID IT ONCE I HAVE SAID IT ONE THOUSAND TIMES: I NEVER USED THE PHRASE "CONE OF VERTICALITY." I USED THE TERM: "CYLINDER OF VERTICALITY."

REPETE AFTER ME: CYLINDER OF VERTICALITY CYLINDER OF VERTICALITY CYLINDER OF VERTICALITY CYLINDER OF VERTICALITY CYLINDER OF VERTICALITY

I DO NOT APPRECIATE PEOPLE FALSLY ACCUSING ME OF USING A TERM THAT I HAVE NEVER USED, NOR I WILL NEVER USE. THIS IS THE SECOND THREAD THAT I HAVE HAD TO MAKE THIS TYPE OF POST CONCERNING THE PHRASE "CONE OF VERTICALITY." GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.