Sat Jan 29, 2005, 09:02pm
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Wherever the Army sends me this year
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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
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Originally posted by RunninRef
Just got home from an amature church league game - (as a spectator in disguise)- with an interesting twist on the last 15 seconds of the game.
What's your call in this situation?
15 seconds left in the game. Team A = 41 / Team B = 40. Team A with the ball in forecourt. Both teams have fouls to give. At the 7 second mark Team B's player is called with his 4th foul and storms off the court thinking it's his fifth foul, leaves the court and goes outside in a hallway away from the team and court. Nothing is called on Team B's player other than the foul. No one catches the 4th foul situation - (except me and one other parent from Team A of course, sitting in the stands). I don't say a word. I'm there to watch and observe play. Team B now has only four players on the court. No other subs to come in. Team A puts the ball into play. At the 5 second mark, Team B's 4th player is whistled for his 5th foul and he sits down on the bench. Still no free throws yet for team A. No other subs for team B. Team B down to 3 players on the floor. Team A puts the ball into play - clock goes 4 / 3 / 2 and team A throws the ball out of bounds with 1.7 seconds left on the clock. Team B immediately calls time out to talk thing over. During the timeout, the player from Team B who left the court earlier thinking he had fouled out returns to Team B's bench, un-noticed by everyone but me. Team B prepares to put the ball into play. Team A drops back for defence and guards the remaining 3 players from Team B. At the very second Team B puts the ball into play, the player from Team B who left the floor earlier with the 4th foul, steps onto the floor - (without reporting)- and launches a 70 foot prayer from backcourt. You got it - it went right through the net - swish!!!!!! Time runs out - game over!
The situation happened so fast, the two officials and the scorers table knew something was wrong, but didn't immediately recognise what just happened. Of course team B went crazy with team members and fans on the floor. The two floor officials got together and discuused what just happened - went to the scorers table and discussed with them what just happened and then they spotted me sitting in the stands - minding my own business. They wanted my "official" opinion being the Director of Officials for the league. I want to know what you would have told them - your game replay for the last 15 seconds,and your advise so maybe I can get some sleep tonight! Awaiting your replay!
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1) Since B1 really thought that he had fouled out, and then he discovered that he had not fouled out, and this is a church youth league with parent volunteer coaches, I would tend to believe that Coach B did not think that B1 had to report into the game, but rather just enter the court with the rest of the team after the timeout was over.
2) Therfore, I ask this question: When does an illegal substitute become a legal player on the court? When a dead ball becomes live. When the game official placed the ball at the disposal of Team B for its throw-in, B1 became a legal player. B1's field goal attempt counts and the game is over.
MTD, Sr.
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Mark,
Does it matter if B1 comes on the court AFTER it is live? I know that an illegal substitute becomes legal when the ball is live, but in this case the substitute did not come on illegally until after the ball was already live. If this is true than what prevents "changes on the fly"? It seems to me that this would be an illegal substitute violation because the ball was already live.
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