[SteveM]

You stated:
"Sure I'd agree with that. It's got nuthin' to do with what i've been saying though. I'm still waiting, as I have been all along, for you to tell me exactly what violation(s) you are blowing your whistle to prevent?"

Those violatons that can occur during a free-throw attempt,naturally. Those events expressly forbidden by:

"Once the ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower no player occupying a marked lane space may enter or leave such space or break with either foot the vertical plane of any lane-space boundary until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the free throw ends. Players who do not occupy a marked lane space may not have either foot break the vertical plane of the free-throw-line extended and the vertical plane of the three-point line until the ball touches the ring or backboard or the free throw ends.".

In your post those events have not occurred but possibly could occur and I have never indicated that they have occurred.

You stated:
"What and where is the violation if the shooter fumbles the ball to a player on a lane line and the player throws it back to him- and neither player ever stepped over their respective restraining lines- and the shooter still shot within 10 seconds? Exactly what violation are you preventing? Please tell me because I sureashell can't think of one rule on that play that the the shooter or the player on the line violated."

I don't have one as of yet. But lets ask the question of who is administering the free-throw here. Seems to me a player is, what if B1 doesn't throw a very nice pass back to the thrower A1? Not that it happened, but it's possible isn't it? Violation, I can't think of a rule to support calling a violation here but B1 hasn't any business doing my job.
I do have a rule that says "on a muffed pass" which I could call a fumbled ball or "accidental drop" that I should "tweet" the play and reset it. Do I ignore 9.1.1. completely because no violation has been committed?

You stated:
"And if the shooter fumbled the ball backwards to a player outside the 3-point line, and the player then threw it back to him--and again neither player ever broke the plane of their respective restraining lines, again please tell me exactly what the violation is? I sureashell don't know. I can't think of any rule that would be broken in that particular situation. I'm always willing to learn though."

Again, I don't have a violation here. But answer me this, what is the accepted course of events for a free-throw attempt. Is it (a) the official placing the ball at the disposal of the thrower or (b) a player placing the ball at the disposal of the thrower? Considering this irrespective of any possible or actual violations, I vote for (a).


You stated:
"To sum up, where exactly is a violation being committed on this particular play(s)? Please cite the violation and the rule covering it. Inquiring minds need to know!"

Again, I don't have a violation. Not yet anyway but one could possibly occur, B1 could step into the lane and grab the ball, agreed? Or do we completely disreguard 9.1.1's statment of "to prevent any violations"? What violations, again those directly related to the context of the play of course, free-throw violations. I don't suspect it would involve anything else at this juncture.

The case book play states that they, violations, are indeed possible, which to me is the point, but indeed may not occur as your posts have indicated no violations. I am just saying, maybe not very clearly, that I'm not going to wait around and see if a violation occurs, especially when I have a rule that tells me to do otherwise.

So let me summarize; "I have no violation(s)" according to the conditions described in the previous posts.
That does not mean one can't or won't occur. I do not let players admin free-throw attempts because I have "no rule" to support such actions by players on the court. I can't find a single rule allowing another player to give the thrower the ball on a free-throw, can you? But I can provide a rule telling me as an offical to admin the free-throw which would exclude a player doing so, Rule 8 Section 1 Art1.


My apologies if I have made this as clear as mud or have misunderstood your previous posts.

Respectfully.