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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by mthomas
I was watching a boys varsity game (after I had officiated the jv game) and saw the following:
A-1 shoots the ball, B-1 blocks the ball (near the rim), the LEAD official call Goal Tending. The TRAIL
official then comes in (whose call it would have been--not the LEAD) and has a 1 minute meeting with the LEAD official and informs him that the ball had "no chance of going in", therefore it can't be goal tending. They then decide to give the ball back to Team A. ("as this is the fairest thing to do").
At half-time while discussing this play, I told that yes it was a "correctable error" as in (2-10, Art.1E and Art.6), but that they should have gone to the alternating possession arrow to decide who gets the ball. Since there was no team control when the whistle blew.
There is no case book play on this play. Would like to hear some feeback on this interesting play.
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I think there were quite a few mistakes here, but none of them was correctable. The first mistake was in thinking that a call could be reversed as a 2-10 correctable error. Calling goaltending is not "counting a score" so the call can't be changed as a correctable error even if it was totally the wrong call. Secondly, even if the ball had "no chance of going in" if the defender touched the ball above the level of the rim on it's downward flight in the general direction of the basket, it's goaltending. Third, perhaps the lead should not have called that according to the book, but once it's called the partner should definitely not sail in and overrule. No matter how bad the call, overruling is never okay.
Still, I'm not the authority on goaltending, so don't take this as final.
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rainmaker, I agree with you that this is not a 2-10 correctable error. If goaltending by the defense is called, even if it is called incorrectly, part of the penalty is awarding of points. Therefore, these points have NOT been erroneously counted. They have been counted according to the rules based upon the call the official made.
However, your second point is not correct. 4-22 states, "and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight," so that is one of the requirements that has to be met for a goaltending call to be properly made.
I also happen to believe that the Trail should come in and convince his partner to change an incorrect call that was afterall his primary responsibility. In this case he had definite knowledge that goaltending was not the correct call. Good job by that official to get the play right, good job by the partner for changing the original call.
mthomas,
Also this should be treated as an accidental whistle under 7.5.4 and if neither team had control when the whistle blew to make the ball dead, then going to the AP is correct. Forget about "the fair thing to do." Do it according to the rules.