[Gee]

First off Mike, A B/R can never, ever be retired on a force play, never. Read OBR #2 Force. With that said let's go to the play.

I'm not sure what you are referring to but I think it is the play when the B/R missed but rounded first and then was tagged scrambling back.

You are correct when you say it is two different plays. One,When he is tagged for being off the base and two, when they appeal first for him missing it.

With only the first one,which would be the third out, the run would score. However if theygot the second one it would supercede the first one and the run wouldn't score because the runner never reached first, right.

Nowthe skipper comes out and says that the B/R is assumed to have touched the bag when he rounds it and stays in the vicinity of the bag and scrambles back.

That is true in all of baseball but it won't hold up on an appeal now in Minor league Baseball and anyone else using that new ruling. The run will not score.

As you said the Major league will not allow the same runner to make two outs on the same base. However Minor league baseball now does.

I Don't know who, where or when they said a runner can't make two outs on the same base. He can make two outs on two different bases. Two outs can be made at the same base by two different runners.

Actually, all the NAPBL/PBUC did was cancel the "No runner can be put out twice at the same base" rule. G.

[Edited by Gee on May 2nd, 2001 at 07:23 AM]