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Originally posted by SamIAm
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by SamIAm
You mentioned one, another one I thought of is: Player A with the ball tosses it up in the air, judged to not be a shot, just above his/her head, takes a step (moves both feet) and catches the ball without the ball touching the floor.
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This is the same play that spurred my original comment to which you objected. Again, this play is NOT a travel. It is an illegal dribble. Case Book play 4.15.4 Situation E part(b) specifically says so.
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Originally posted by SamIAm
On the side, you can't travel without having had position of the ball first, which is what I think you meant.
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Nope. I truly meant that a player cannot travel without HOLDING the ball AT THE TIME of the foot movement. Except for that one sentence in case book play 4.43.5 Situation B, which I believe is a poor interpretation by the NFHS.
4-43 "Traveling (running with the ball) is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball."
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You are correct. There are not a couple of ways to travel without the ball, only one. I also agree that does not seem logical to term the one exception as a travel. It seems just as illogical to me to call the scenario I descibed as an illegal dribble. If you do the same thing and don't move your feet it is legal, you move your feet, it is illegal, but not a travel.
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Thanks for being so cordial in your response. I hope you added to your officiating knowledge. Hopefully, my posts never came across as being nasty either. I merely wished to set you and any others who read this thread straight on the rule.
Additionally, while I see your point about the foot movement, there is a good reason that the rule must be this way. Consider a player who throws the ball a few feet away, but allows it to BOUNCE on the floor, before running over to it, and is the first to touch/catch it. This would be a legal play. This is because this action meets the definition of a dribble (4-15). So all you have is a player taking a dribble, and since traveling is not possible during a dribble (4-15-4 Note 1), it doesn't matter how far the player moved from the original location. (Of course, this assumes that the player hadn't dribbled before because then this would be a double dribble violation.)
In fact, this play was included in the interpretations last year and is still posted on the nfhs website:
SITUATION 6: A1 jumps from the floor and secures a defensive re-bound. A1 then pivots toward the sideline where a teammate, A2, is standing for an outlet pass. Just as A1 releases the pass, A2 turns and runs down the court. A1 throws a soft bounce pass to where A2 was standing. A1 then moves and secures the ball without dribbling. RULING: Legal action. A1 had the pivot foot on the floor and began a dribble by throwing the ball to the floor (the bounce pass); the dribble ended when A1 secured the ball. Upon reaching the ball, A1 also could have continued the dribble. (4-15-3,4)
Hope all of this helped to clarify things for you.