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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Tom M.
A1 attempts to inbound the ball on the baseline. While in the process of doing so A1 leans forward and loses his balance. A1 while holding the ball with both hands touches the ball to the floor inbounds in order to regain his balance and to avoid falling forward. A1's feet do not cross the endline. Violation or not?
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Tom M.,
No violation.
The player did not carry the ball onto the court. (9-2-5)
The player was out of bounds and the ball location remained out of bounds.(4-4-4)
mick
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How about R9-2-6, mick? Didn't the thrower touch the ball in the court before it touched or was touched by another player?
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JR,
The ball was in the player's hands not in the court, because the ball was never released. The ball was touching the player who is out of bounds, thus the ball remained out of bounds 4-4-4. 
mick
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Mick, see R9-2-11NOTE- "The thrower may penetrate the plane provided he/she does not touch the in-bounds area before the ball is released on a throw-in pass. The opponent in this case may legally touch or grasp the ball". If the ball remains OOB, how can a defender legally grab the ball? Didn't the player touch an in-bounds area->the ball on the floor in-bounds? Also see R7-1-2(a)-"The ball is out of bounds when it touches a player who is out of bounds". Re:4-4-4--> the ball touched the court in-bounds. It was "in the court".
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With respect to R9-2-11NOTE, where the ball penetrates the throw-in boundary, we agree that the defender may grab, touch the ball without penalty if the ball is in the air through the plane. If that ball is not touched, the ball is still out of bounds. Why? ...Because the player with the ball is out of bounds.
With the ball on the floor and the throw-in player not touching inbounds, it is my contention that the ball, not released remains out of bounds.
This interpretation is no different from a player having fallen out of bounds trapping/pinning a ball still on the floor inbounds. That player out of bounds has caused the ball to also be out of bounds.
The secured ball location is directly related to the location of the securing player's location.
mick