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Originally posted by whiskers_ump
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Originally posted by Dakota
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Originally posted by CecilOne
Doesn't the rule say the pitcher (player listed as F1 on the lineup) has the ball in the circle; with nothing about how it gets there, what the pitcher is doing, etc.?
p.s. There is already too much in the POE.
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ASA POE 33-E,
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A pitcher fielding a ball in the circle is just another fielder and runners can leave their base.
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Now, that thar makes a lot sense.
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Y'all ain't thinking this out.
#1, this is in ASA's POE, not the rule.
#2, this may seem to solve the problem, but now what? The pitcher fields a batted ball and then stands there. When is the pitcher a pitcher again? At what point are the runners required to decide and proceed immediately to a base?
The easiest way to handle this is to just delete the LBR altogether. When the pitcher has the ball in the infield and all obvious play is finished, kill the ball. The ball can only be live when the pitcher is standing in contact with the pitcher's plate. Other existing rules would handle any runner leaving the base during this period.
A runner stealing must begin their advance prior to the pitcher receiving the ball in the infield whether from the catcher or any other player. If the runner is not advancing, the play is assumed dead and the runner returns to their base. IOW, just like SP.
Very simple, yet the traditionalists will go crazy if someone even mentions such a change. The problem is that I believe they have no argument to defend their stance.