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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by coachz_216
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I was a very successful college & hs coach for the past 11 years.
If you can't understand that this is how proper defense is taught (not just by me, but by almost every coach at every level) in the game, then I'm not sure that this discussion need to continue.
As for your assertion that the "defense is not responsible for any contact should defender have legal guarding position and be less than three feet from the line..." I would like to know the rule book reference for than rule.
As for "having trouble seeing a dribbler with enough moxie to pull that off..." Then you must not be officiating HS or above basketball. I was an all-stater in HS and I can assure you that I would have readily "attacked" a defenders out-stretched lead leg knowing that he couldn't take another step to cut me off & that the contact was (by rule) going to be a foul on him. I have also been fortunate enough to coach players (even my HS players) who would have undoubdtedly done the same. As a coach--I would make a point of teaching it (especially to my better players). I would agree that JRHI girls probably aren't skilled enough to take advantage of flaws in the rules--but quality HS players, who are well-coached most certainly will!
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You know, for a guy that very obviously does NOT know the rules, you just made a whole bunch of smug, self-serving statements above. You can quote us your resume from here to next year if you want, coach, but that don't mean squat if you don't know dickall about the rules. And it also doesn't mean that we like or appreciate know-nothing coaches that come in here and insult our fellow officials or talk down to them or us.
Btw, the rule book reference that you were asking about above about "defense not responsible for contact should the defender have LGP and be within 3 feet of a line" is NFHS rule 4-7-2(c). It's been in the book well before your all-state years too. Imagine that, eh? Why don't you buy a rule book and read it- before you crap on the people who really do know what they're talking about?
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Thank you for the rule-book reference. I do need to learn more about the rules. As for you assertion about my "smug, self-serving statements", I didn't make them to impress anyone--I simply was replying to a person who seemed to think I didn't have an understanding of the game. I was trying to point out some of my background to show them that my views of the game don't come from just an "interested fan's" perspective. I do know this game. I don't have the rule book memorized. I'm returning to officiating after 11 years of coaching and I do need to improve my rules knowledge.
I'm glad to know the 4.7.2 reference--it actually makes the block/charge call in these situations seem to be an easier one to make. All of my posts regarding this rule are not made to debate that it is a rule or how it has to be called if called "strictly by the book". I'm just trying to point out that, in this case, IMO the Fed has made a bad rule and it seems to me that the best remedy (for now), is for officials to exercise common sense and not unduly penalize a defender for stepping out of bounds to maintain proper guarding position just because the Fed can't figure out that in order to maintain proper position near a boundary, a defender has to be allowed to step OOB.