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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by BushRef
We discussed this at our meeting last night and someone seemed to think that after A has made the basket and as soon as B has grabbed the ball, it is too late for A to call a timeout, even BEFORE B has stepped out of bounds.
Thoughts?
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Someone is right.
You can't grant a TO when the other team has the ball or it's at it's their disposal- even before they step OOB.
Casebook play 6.1.2SitB(a) has a good explanation.
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JR:
Your statement is partially correct and partially incorrect.
There have been other threads concerning when the ball becomes at the disposal of the thrower after a goal is scored. NFHS R5-S8-A3b and NCAA R5-S9-A4 and A5 are the governing references with regard to requesting a timeout.
I agree with you that after Team A scored and Team B does not make an effort to pick-up the ball to take it out-of-bounds to attempt a throw-in the covering official can declare the ball at the disposal of Team B by starting a five second count; once the official starts his five second count if Team A requests a timeout, its request cannot be granted. Why? The ball becomes live when it is at the disposal of the team allowed to make the throw-in. If a player from Team B picks up the ball immediately after Team A scores and then immediately takes the ball out-of-bounds to attempt a throw-in, the ball does not become live until the Team B player is completely out-of-bounds; at that point the ball becomes live and the ball is at the disposal of Team B for the throw-in. That means the ball is dead until the ball is at the disposal of Team B and while the ball is dead any team can request a timeout and the timeout request should be granted.
MTD, Sr.
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6.1.2 situation B disagrees with that interpretation. That case play clearly states that the ball may be deemed at the disposal whether the throwing team is inbounds or out. '
The comment after the case play even talks about a ball near the end line being availiable to a player, that the count can begin.
Further the case play for 5-8-3 disagrees with you too.
5.8.3 situation D.
[Edited by blindzebra on Nov 10th, 2004 at 11:37 PM]