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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
I am a firm believer that there are no do-overs in NFHS basketball. The rules just don't provide for it.
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Hmmmmmm. Interesting statement.
So......
If you let the wrong player attempt a FT or allow a FT to be attempted at the wrong basket, then the rules just don't provide for a do-over if the error is caught before the first dead ball after the clock has started? Yup, no do-overs in NFHS basketball, eh?
PS- Your ruling above about allowing the tap is your opinion. I am a firm believer that there is no NFHS rule that will back your opinion. 
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JR, there are first year officials listening. Please do not confuse them by trying to claim that a correctable error situation is the same as a do-over. In the case of letting the wrong player shoot the free throws, it ain't no stinkin' do-over. The Referee is just finally doing what he should have done, which is have the offended player shoot the free throws at the correct basket.
But if you want to drag the correctable error rule into this, then you have to note that it says that all action (that would be the basket) that occurs between the time of the error and it's being corrected stands. By that logic, the tap stands. And, hey presto, they get another shot at it too!
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If you read my statements again, I'm not saying that the situation being discussed is a "correctible error", or is it governed by the correctible error rule. I'm saying that the rule book does allow for "do-overs". Iow, I don't agree with Nevada's blanket statement- and I still don't agree with it.
And maybe you also could please enlighten me as to what you would call cancelling a FT and then repeating the exact SAME FT if it's not "a stinkin' do-over"?
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Okay, my apologies for suggesting you were calling it a correctable error situation.
It is not the "exact SAME FT". The rules provide that the penalty for a shooting foul is that the offended player must shoot free throws at his/her own basket. If the official permits the wrong player to attempt the throws or at the wrong basket, the official has not provided the specified rememedy. He has done something else entirely. The world is still waiting for the penalty to be enforced. Finally putting the correct shooter at the line, or the shooter at the correct basket is not a do-over. It is simply enforcing the rules.
You can argue that if it's not corrected, the points stand. And you'd be right. But that's just allowing the error to persist. It still doesn't imply that fixing the error is any kind of "do-over"
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If A1 shoots a successful FT, and the scorer then immediately signals to tell you that A2 should have been the proper shooter, if you don't have a "do-over" with A2 shooting a repeat FT(with all the trimmings- line-up,etc.), then what do you have instead?
Do we have different definitions of what a "do-over" actually is? I think that it is just simply repeating a play from the beginning. You?