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Originally posted by CruiseMan
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Originally posted by MJT
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Originally posted by keystoneref
MJT I believe that 6-3-3 says K may catch or recover a kick and advance if the kick is caught or recovered in or BEHIND the neutral zone. I don't have my books with me but K MAY NOT ADVANCE a kick that K recovers BEYOND the neutral zone.
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I copied that wrong, I meant "behind" not beyond. That is why it should have been blown dead. What I wrote initially makes no sense, just typed wrong. Should have proofed that one better.
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I understand what you're saying here, but I have to disagree with the separation of the "neutral zone" and the "expanded neutral zone". They are one in the same. 2-27-2 says "The neutral zone may be expanded following the snap up to a mazimum of 2 yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage, in the field of play during any scrimmage down." Thus my center was in the neutral zone when he posessed the ball.
This has been a fun one for me. We talked about it for a good 15-20 minutes during our pre-game today [/QUOTE
They are NOT one and the same, otherwise why would it say "beyond the NZ or expanded NZ in 6-2-4?? They mention "both" of them in the same rule, which indicates they are not "one and the same."
It says in 6-2-4 "K can recover a scrimmage kick while it is beyond the NZ or ENZ, provided it has been touched by a receiver who was clearly beyond the NZ at the time of the touching." It continues to say "Such catch or recovery by K beyond the NZ causes the ball to become dead." So if K recovers in or behind the NZ, they can advance, but if beyond they cannot.
Also in 6-2-5 it says "When any kicker touches a scrimmage kick beyond the ENZ to R's goal line before touched beyond the NZ by R, it is first touching."
Again refering to both the NZ, and ENZ in the same rule indicating they are different.
Also if they were one and the same then it would not be an illegal forward pass unless the QB passed the ball beyond the ENZ, cuz it and the NZ are one and the same. It would not be an illegal kick unless they kicked it in or behind the ENZ, and it specifically says NZ.
The reason the NZ is expanded it for offensive blocking reasons and touching of low scrimmage kicks. Other than that, the NZ is the line for many of our rules.
Now the play you had was a crazy one, with guys all over the place, the ball caught a split second after a low punt, and mass chaos everywhere. I don't think anyone knew the difference, and am not saying I would have got it right at that moment in time either. I was just stating the differences between the NZ and ENZ.