parepat PLAY: K kicks and onside kick. The ball hits the ground and bounces high in the air. R-1 gives a fair catch signal a the his 45 and catches the ball. As soon as he makes the catch he is hit by K-1 and fumbles. K-2 recovers at R's 40. Foul, enforcement options and spot of ball after enforcement?
Snake~eyes Well R gets to keep the ball because the ball becomes dead when R catches it. Then we have 5 yards for the invalid fair catch signal.
Snake~eyes How is this not PSK? 5 yards where the kick ends, which in this case would be where R catches it.
parepat PSK= Post SCRIMMAGE Kick. I think I blew this call. I awarded R the ball and penalized them five yards. i guess this is just a regular loose ball enforcement. Please tell me otherwise.
Theisey Originally posted by Snake~eyes How is this not PSK? 5 yards where the kick ends, which in this case would be where R catches it. You know this Snakeyes.. PSK does not apply for Free Kicks. For Parepat, 10-4-2
jack015 Originally posted by Snake~eyes Well R gets to keep the ball because the ball becomes dead when R catches it. Then we have 5 yards for the invalid fair catch signal. R fouled prior to possession, therefore if accepted the foul is from previous spot and replay the down.
Snake~eyes Originally posted by Theisey Originally posted by Snake~eyes How is this not PSK? 5 yards where the kick ends, which in this case would be where R catches it. You know this Snakeyes.. PSK does not apply for Free Kicks. For Parepat, 10-4-2 Yea I goofed, I was thinking it was a punt from scrimmage.
chiefgil Jack015 A kick is a kick, is a kick, until R gains possession. At that instant it's no longer a kick, it now a running play. Illegal fair catch, because the ball touched the ground, 5 yards, spot of the foul.
chiefgil Read NFHS Rule 6: Kick and Free Kick activities. Rule 10-4-5: The basic spot is the succeeding spot: c. a dead-ball foul
GaBACKJUDGE Couldn't you also have a dead ball personal foul for a late hit since the ball becomes dead at R's possession?
parepat Chief: I would like nothing better than your analysis. However, what is your basis for calling this a dead ball foul. The signal occured during the down. The catch caused the ball to become dead.
Theisey Originally posted by GaBACKJUDGE Couldn't you also have a dead ball personal foul for a late hit since the ball becomes dead at R's possession? ### Yes you could. It would be a judgement call.
Bob M. Originally posted by Theisey Originally posted by GaBACKJUDGE Couldn't you also have a dead ball personal foul for a late hit since the ball becomes dead at R's possession? ### Yes you could. It would be a judgement call. REPLY: Since R's invalid signal guarantees him no protection, your judgment is (a) was the hit sufficiently late that K should have known the ball was dead, or (b) was it a personal foul in and of itself (helmet contact, etc.) Even a 'hard' tackle right after R recovers the kick is probably not sufficient to warrant any flag...except for the invalid signal of course.