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Originally posted by mvp2jeter
As ball, 1st and 10 on Bs 35. A21 runs it to Bs 5. As hes getting up after being tackled, A21 throws out the F-Bomb at Bs tacklers.
I award the first down from A21s run but hit A21 with a USC and back them up 15 to the 20, making it first and goal from the 20. Is this correct or is it just 1st and 10 from the 20?
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Every casebook example for 5.1.2, Awarding a New Series, includes the provision for establishing the line to gain after a 1st down has been acheived and after a dead ball foul. In each case, the new line to gain is established AFTER the penalty is enforced.
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In a different game, Ive got K on the opening kick of the second half. K77 kicks it to Rs 40 (near the sideline) where K20 tries to recover it (first touch) but doesnt gain control of it. No other player is in the area, so he has the opportunity to fall on it again but when he gains control of it, his legs are out of bounds. I threw a beanbag (eventually) but not a flag and signaled Rs ball on Rs 40, as this was their best choice. After talking it over with our U, I now believe I should have flagged K as well (even though it wouldve had no effect on the spot in this particular case), b/c R never touched the ball before it was ruled OOB.
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Casebook 6.1.8 provides the situation where K2 muffs the ball out of bounds on an attempted onside kick. K is flagged for a free kick out of bounds.
In this example, K2 provides the force that causes the ball to be out of bounds, prior to a touch by R. In your example since K20 causes the ball to be out of bounds, I would deduce that 6.1.8 applies in this case.
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