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Originally posted by Jimgolf
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
The new POE in this year's rule book states " Too often players are leaving the court for unauthorized reasons. An all-too-common example is an offensive player getting around a screen OR A DEFENSIVE PLAYER by running out of bounds. That is not legal and gives a tremendous advantage to the offense. Officials must enforce the rule that is already in place. It is a technical foul."
Can't get written any clearer than that!
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The POE mentions specifically unauthorized reasons such as getting around a screen.
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The POE also specifically mentions, as I highlighted above, that the offensive player can't go OOB to avoid a defensive player. Isn't that exactly what eventnyc said that the dribbler did in the very first post on this thread? Run OOB to avoid a defender that had the sideline cut off, and then come back in bounds and resume his dribble.? This new POE says that it's a T if you do that. It's also clarifying how the FED wants this type of play called- a T and not a violation. Now, whether very many officials will ACTUALLY call a T under these circumstances is a whole 'nother story.
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So are you saying it's always a T to go out of bounds? I think you're missing the point of the POE entirely. They are not complaining about the player with the ball going out of bounds, since this is already a violation. They are complaining about players that do not have the ball deliberately going out of bounds.
POE's are about issues. Dribbling OOB is not an issue, it's a violation. Nuff said.
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Could you please point out to me where I said anything even remotely like "It's always a T to go out of bounds"? Could you also point out in the very first post of this thread where it also says that the offensive player actually HAD the baIl when he went OOB? On my computer, eventnyc stated that "A1 then continued the dribble past B1
AND THEN GOES OUT-OF-BOUNDS TO AVOID THE CONTACT WITH B1". Those are eventnyc's ACTUAL words, not a made-up scenario of mine. Note that I also copied the POE above word-for-word from this year's rulebook. The POE is very, very explicit. The POE, again not me, says that if an OFFENSIVE player goes around a DEFENSIVE player by running OUT-OF-BOUNDS, it is a technical foul. And that is EXACTLY what eventnyc stated in his first post that A1 DID! A1 never dribbled OOB. A1 pushed his dribble past the defender B1, and then ran around the defender OOB to avoid contact, then ran back in-bounds and continued dribbling. A1 could NOT dribble during the time he was running around B1 OOB because it would be physically impossible to. A1 did NOT have possession of the ball- either holding it or dribbling it- when he was OOB. If you can't dribble, then you can't be a dribbler because you DON'T have player control!