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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Unauthorized reason deals with situations where players are trying to gain an advantage by deceit. Such as, stepping off the court in attempt to mislead his/her opponent into thinking that he/she is not in the game and then coming back onto the court at such a time as to gain an advantage over his/her opponent.
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Mark -- I've avoided discussing things with you, but this one is too egregious to pass up. There's nothing in the case book at all about deceit being the crucial defining point in "unauthorized reasons to leave the court." In fact, two out of three case book situations involve situations similar to the one described above where a player steps out of bounds deliberately to evade a rule. It's not sneaky or underhanded, it's just illegal. I could imagine a ref thinking that the situation described above fits better into 9-3 than 10-3-3, but this sitch certainly IS within the scope of 10-3-3. In fact, it's the very play 10-3-3 was written for.
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Juulie:
Why would you want to avoid discussing things with me? You cut me to the quick.
I should state right now that I do not have a Casebook in front of me because I am at the Library while our sixth grader is picking out a book of fiction to read and write a book report for school, therefore I am at a slight disadvantage in my resposne. But I agree that I should have said that leaving the court for deceitful purposes would and should be considered an "unauthorized reason," and that most "unauthorized reasons" are of a deceitful purpose. But I respectfully disagree with you when you state that the play in this thread is the very play for which R10-S3-A3 is written.
Examples of "unauthorized reasons" are: a) stepping off the court to aviod a three second call; b) stepping off the court in attempt to mislead his/her opponent into thinking that he/she is not in the game and then coming back onto the court at such a time as to gain an advantage over his/her opponent, delaying returning to the court after releasing the ball on a throw-in pass (my favorite variation of this play is for A1 to inbound the ball along the endline of Team A's frontcourt and then A1 runs along the endline while out-of-bounds to the other side of the court, steps inbounds and receives the ball in a position to take an unhindered three-point field goal attempt); or c) stepping of the court to run to the drinking fountain to get a drink. All three of these plays are examples of leaving the court for "unauthorized reasons," but only (c) would not be considered deceitful in nature.
The play being described in this thread will be a bang-bang play. A1 will be around B1 before one can get air in the whistle. Plays (a) and (b) are plays that will unfold at a leasurely pace when compared to the play in this thread. A technical foul will be a very difficult sell, because A1's actions should be considered something done in the "heat of the moment." For the action to be "unauthorized" it is my opinion that A1's actions have to have some premeditation.
But the most important thing to remember if an official has to conduct a rules clinic to explain his call, then it should not have been made; and everybody knows that I am not afraid to make the type of call for which we get paid the big dollars. But I just think that we are reading too much into this play. I do not think that R10-S3-A3 was meant for this play. This might be a good play for someone to email to the Rules Editors of the NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's rules committees.
MTD, Sr.