Apparently you didn't really read the post... I wouldn't have thought of you as so obtuse, Carl.
I hope others that read it understood my question. Perhaps it wasn't obvious enough for all...
Rules state that a trapped/lodged ball is immediately dead and a two base award is given. The word "immediately" is pretty well understood so I will assume that is not the point of misunderstanding. So my question now becomes at what point do we say the ball IS TRAPPED/LODGED and immediately thereafter award the two bases. It is us the umpire that decides when the ball is trapped/lodged so it is rather important for us to know when that act occurs.
DOES THE BALL BECOME TRAPPED/LODGED at the time when WE/UMPIRES recognize it is stuck (upon attempt to remove)and therefore immediately at that time call dead ball and make the two base award... and all previous plays with that ball remain. (This is the situation you agreed was correct earlier Carl, with F6 tagging R2 for the 3rd out and then not being able to remove the ball to leave it for the next half inning.)
OR
DOES THE BALL BECOME TRAPPED/LODGED at the time when it physically becomes stuck (the ball entering the glove) and therefore do we retroactively call "immediate" dead ball at the time the ball entered the glove, remove all outs made, and award two bases (This is second situation which you appeared to also state was correct in your last post, where your subterfuge and childish poke at me said lodged was LODGED.)
Hopefully you do now recognize, along with everyone else, the different outcomes/enforcements and also recognize they are a result of the different "time" at which the ball was declared dead or lodged.
Didn't realize we were having a parade... how about sharing some of that ticker-tape stuff rather than just throwing at me.
