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Originally posted by Carl Childress
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Originally posted by GarthB
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Originally posted by Carl Childress
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Originally posted by GarthB
Carl wrote:
As I told Tim, things are different now that Rumble has retired. Said he: "You bet! I like Elliot. He listens."
This begs the question, to whom is he listening? Apparently not to Tim or other sensible state level interpreters who preferred that FED adopt an OBR-like intepretation.
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In the meantime, I have clipped your message and sent it to Tim. No doubt he'll get a good laugh when he finds out you thought he was begging the question.
Note that what I wrote is a quote (Said he: "You bet! I like Elliot. He listens."). They are not my words, and I checked the quote with Tim to be sure it was accurate.
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I doubt Tim will laugh. I emailed him myself with the same remark. He knows it is not an insult, but rather an honest question. And Tim is one who answers honest questions rather than avoiding them or trying to make them out to be something other than just what they are. I've never heard a cross word from Tim and I've never, in the long time we've been acquainted, seen him belittle anyone.
This is just one reason Tim, in the opinon of many,is the most respected umpire on the internet.
I expect instead an intelligent reply as to why he thinks his opinion didn't sway Elliot.
[Edited by GarthB on Sep 10th, 2004 at 01:20 AM]
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Good look over someone's shoulder next week. Stevens writes for Officiating.com. He'll explain it for you.
BTW: I, too, knew you didn't realize you were accusing Mr. Stevens of deceptive argument.
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Perhaps those of your age can only intepret it that way.
However, "Begging the question, in modern popular usage, is almost always synonymous with raising the question.
While the original meaning, still defended by some, is different: it once only described a type of logical fallacy A logical fallacy is an error in logical argument which is independent of the truth of the premises; that is no longer accepted as the sole meaning."
Again except perhaps by retired high school English teachers.