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Originally posted by CecilOne
I'm not convinced that the rule cite,
"A team-mate of the player taking the kick enters the penalty area or moves in front of or within 9.15m (10yds) of the penalty mark:
-the referee allows the kick to proceed
-if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken
-if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is not retaken
-if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper, the crossbar or the goalpost and is touched by this player, the referee stops play and restarts the match with an indirect free kick to the defending team"
covers the situation
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Cecil,
The words that I wrote above are from Law 14 of the USSF's Laws of the Game. Those which govern all non-high school soccer played in the US. Do you work USSF matches or only high school games?
The reason that I chose to quote USSF rules was that the original questioner stated that it was a recent game of his daughter's and with school not being in session until this week in most places, I figured that it was not a high school game. As you wrote below the wording of the NFHS rules book is slightly different, but the application is in practice the same for this situation.
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Originally posted by CecilOne
and it seems to me the ball is dead at the moment the improper restart is taken, not when it crosses the line.
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While I like your logical thinking approach, your conclusion here is flawed. Remember that we do not want to penalize a team for the infringements of their opponents. Therefore, for penalty kicks the ball is considered to be in play once it is kicked and moves forward even if one team has infringed. The penalty kick is allowed to play out so that only the infringing team is penalized.
You can't consider the ball to not be in play if a defender encroaches and the kicker scores a goal, right?
To put it another way, if the positioning of the attacking players during a penalty kick is improper, the ball is considered to have never been put in play at all if they score. The same is true if the defenders infringe and a goal is not scored. This is why the correct restart is a retake of the penalty kick.
However, it is more complicated in the case where an attacker infringes and a goal is not scored. The advantage gained by the infringement must be considered. If the encroaching player's position would give his team an advantage, then he must be penalized. This is why an IFK is awarded to the defense if the ball rebounds INTO play. The encroaching player would now have a better position to score from than he is properly entitled to have.
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Originally posted by CecilOne
Also, the book I use, NFHS, says "If there is an infringement by the attacking team ... . If the ball rebounds into play, the game shall be stopped and restarted with an indirect free kick for the defending team at the spot of the foul". This is reinforced in the play rulings Penalty Kick Situations table.
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Yes, the high school rules mandate that play be stopped in this case and an IFK awarded to the defense. The USSF Laws give the referee more room to use his discretion. If this player does not become involved in the play, he is not penalized. For example, if the ball rebounds directly to the original kicker and he scores on the rebound, USSF Laws allow the goal, but the harsh wording of the NFHS book demand that it not count.
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Originally posted by CecilOne
Sounds like "rebounds into play" covers the time between the contact with the keeper and the ball crossing the line, so either way, I would say dead ball and IFK.
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That is not what that phrase means. It means that the keeper saves the shot or it rebounds off the goal posts or crossbar and STAYS in play. The ball does not then go immediately off the field of play.
Look at that chart on page 63 that you referred to in your post.
There are four cases covered. The second line covers "Rebounds into Play From Goal/Goalkeeper" and awards the IFK, while the fourth line handles the specific case of the result of the PK being "Deflected Out-of-Bounds By Goalkeeper" and the restart given is a corner kick. (It should also say or throw-in, but it is assumed that the ball is going out over the closest line, the goal line, not being kicked clear out over the touch line. Which while highly unusual, would be possible.)
So in summary, the application of the rules are the same under both systems with the one small difference in the awarding of an IFK.