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Old Wed Aug 25, 2004, 11:43am
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by David Emerling
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BTW, the very first post in this thread was by you.

Garth: "What is the difference, if any, in attitude and performance between and umpire who coaches, acting as an umpire, and a coach who umpires, acting as an umpire?"

So I don't really understand how you can say that *I* asked the question and that I shouldn't ask it unless I don't want to hear your good faith answer. I believe I was answering YOUR question.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[Edited by David Emerling on Aug 25th, 2004 at 02:42 AM]
You don't understand? Short term memory problem, Dave? This was your post to me:

Just for the record, Garth. You're saying that an individual who coaches is necessarily going to bring attributes into his umpiring that will not serve him (or the game) well. Is that correct?

If not, exactly what is your position on this? You throw around the phrase "coach who umpires" in an unmistakably denigrating way. If I were a fireman, would I be a "fireman who umpires?" Should stockbrokers be allowed to umpire? Should baseball fans be allowed to umpire?

At least I'm making a case for my opinion. What's YOUR case? What kind of reasoning goes behind your opinion that coaches make bad umpires? ... or, that coaches shouldn't umpire ... or, that coaches can't umpire?... or, well, that coaches shouldn't be allowed to umpire ... or, just what are you claiming?


Unless the rules of language have changed drastically, there are a few quetions there. And they seem to be directed at me. If I'm wrong about this I certainly apoloize.

Ohhhhh ... those were answers to those questions! Oh, OK.

I guess I just didn't interpet your continuing mantra as an answer because, in my opinion, it is so poorly reasoned. Then I guess you're right - I don't like your answers because they are really BAD ones.

It's like asking a school child what 2+2 is. He says 5. So you ask him again and hope he reconsiders. He repeats 5. You tell him he's wrong. So the child says to the teacher, "Stop asking me if you don't like my answer."

Your primary premise seems to be that *I* have difficulties in being both an umpire and coach. You don't seem to bring up much else of substance.

"DAVE - your coaching interferes with your umpiring." (And yet, you've never seen me umpire.)

"DAVE - your game management is poor." (And yet, you've never seen me umpire.)

"DAVE - you allow people to remain in the game when they should be ejected." (And yet, you don't know how those games continued in peace.)

You're part of a little cult of like-minded people, trapped in a little umpire discussion forum, and you have deluded yourself into thinking your views represent the majority. And, if you haven't noticed, there are those in the forum who conspicuously do not jump on your bandwagon, preferring to abstain instead of enduring the wrath of the more vocal and vociferous.

I, on the other hand, am not afraid to take a position even though I know that the likes of you find it so distasteful.

There are some in the forum that have asked the moderator to have me kicked out on the sole basis that I also coach. True? True?? They've said exactly that! "Coaches should not be allowed to be in this group." And then when the moderator didn't come to the same conclusion, some lashed out at the moderator. Childishness!!!

Others are reading this now. What do you think THEY are thinking about that?

There's a certain type of umpire who is uncomfortable around coaches. I'll allow others to draw their own opinions about what the characteristics of such an umpire would be.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN
Dave:

2+2 is a problem based in fact. What you asked for and what I gave you is OPINION. It is my opinion. I don't give a fig if it is shared by you are anyone. You asked for my opinion, you now have it.

I don't care if you disagree. You and I will never work together. It matters not to me what you think.

Contrary to your overblown opinion of yourself, I did not begin this thread by asking you a question. I know better. I posed an idea to Carl. Plain and simple.

You then interjected yourself and demanded answers to questions that you have posed before and had answered before.

Again, if you don't like the answers, don't ask the question.

Have a good day, coach.

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