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Originally posted by ljudge
Has anyone noticed the change in rule 5.1.2b? There was nothing mentioned in the front of the book with the other changes. It used to say "After a fourth down, a new series of downs shall be awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down, other than a nonplayer or unsportsmanlike foul."
In 2004 it says..."After a fourth down, a new series of downs shall be awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down."
This has to be a misprint. This would mean that all live-ball nonplayer and USC calls could put the ball beyond the LTG AND have A remain with the ball for a first down. The case book however 5.1.2(situation e and comment) - page 38 has the ruling that is consistent with the old wording.
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This should have been marked as an editorial change but the intent of the rule does not change; in fact, the wording "other than a nonplayer or unsportsmanlike foul." is slightly redundant since 10-4-5 specifies the succeeding spot is the spot for enforcement for both unsportsmanlike and dead-ball fouls. However, the words "act during the down" should possibly read "live ball foul."
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I happened to stumble upon this because I'm looking for the rule that supported the following situation.....
I believe that if an B player enters during a 4th down play and doesn't affect the play AND team A falls 2 yards short of the LTG, then I believe B still gets the ball after penalizing the 5-yard nonplayer illegal sub foul from the succeding spot (vs. giving A a first down).
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This is a live ball-nonplayer foul (3-7-1 Penalty). The basic spot will be the end of the run. Being a live ball foul the penalty will be enforced from the end of the run giving A a first down.