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Originally posted by cbfoulds
As a "final word": I just received my 2004 J/R manual, & I'm like a kid w/ a new toy.
In Ch. 6, Sec. A, note 12 [pg 49] I find: "...the force out does not apply to the batter-runner ... (by definition he cannot be forced)."  At last, an authoritative statement of the PAF not=F principle. I would take it as given that, if it's not a force to begin with, one cannot "reinstate the force", regardless of what retrograde movements one makes on the base path after touching 1st Base, or why one makes them.
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Yes, I know. Besides note 12, they also carefully define a "consecutive runner" (which definition excludes the batter) and follow that by describing a force out in terms of consecutive runners. All of this is written in a normal font, so they are asserting that this set of rules corresponds to the OBR, and isn't a J/R innovation.
Of course I accept them as authoritative, and acknowledge that there is no FPAF. All I would ask is that when faced with a person who asserts that B/R is forced to first, we at least allow for the possibility that haven't read (or heard of) J/R, and may have tried to puzzle it out with the OBR.
Dave