[JRutledge]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue

I’m glad to see how adamant you are regarding this discussion. “Never overrule your partner’s call.” You should probably give MLB a phone call, since four (4) foul ball homerun calls were overruled this year. They probably did not get the memo that you and Rut did.

This is the football board, who gives a damn what Major League Baseball do. Major League Baseball also has umpire (officials) get in the face of coaches and players. If a football or basketball officials at the pro and college level did that, they would not have a job after the season or game. I do no think the MLB comparison is relevant to this discussion.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
IÂ’ve been at this quite a while, as well - on the field and as an instructor at clinics across the country. When you have worked at my level (3 yrs. rostered Minor League, another 8 as a local with the Northern and Frontier Leagues, NCAA D-1/2/3, High School and an American Legion National Championship Series) then you can tell me what is proper mechanically and ethically.

You should be commended or patted on the back for what you have accomplished. But any knowledgeable official knows that what goes on in one sport does not automatically translate to another. Have you done any of those things in football or basketball? Since we are on the football board we know what you accomplishments are there. You have never worked a game, so I really do not care what baseball umpire you do. I do not even umpire past the spring time on purpose.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
What will you do when your partner says "It was a touchdown." and the rest of the crew KNOW it ws not, but he won't budge? Your owns words indicate that youÂ’ve obviously made your choice.

Depending on the position of the other officials, they are not going to know for sure. If I am a Referee or a back judge or a wing, that call might just be one officials call. Of course there are situations that apply, but all calls are not going to be judged by fellow officials. And just like it was stated before by someone, in football it is very common for two different officials to see different things.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
I originally posed this question on the baseball board two months ago. Rut jumped in and showed the world how not to debate. He couldn't let it go...HE POSTED IT ON THE FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL AND GENERAL BOARDS, not I.

For the record I posted this on the football and baseball boards. You kept referring to those sports and what football and basketball officials did; I thought it would be appropriate to ask the question to those officials directly. It is one thing to ask a bunch of people that do not work those sports, but it is quite another to ask the officials that we are talking about. I did not say why I asked the question, I just asked the question. And I never posted this question on the GENERAL BOARD. It was moved there by moderators after you and I got into it. I also posted this question on the McGriff boards for review. The sentiment was pretty much the same, you cannot over rule partners.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Another member alerted me to his deeds and by the time I got here, Jumpmaster had already taken him to task for not giving up. I never asked for you to choose sides, but you seem to have received some bad information and your horse came up lame.

Who the hell is Jumpmaster? Is he some officiating God that we must all talk to before we get on the field? Is he some very well respected official that we all have to listen to when it comes to officiating matters? Does he give us all playoff games? You keep referring to this guy like the rest of us should give a damn. I am sure he is a great guy, but in the past few days there have been about 4 people that agreed with my point of view and summarized my point of view very well. There names are not relevant and have an opinion that is no more valuable than Jumpmaster. We all come from different areas of the country and work different levels and different sports. I do not care what Jumpmaster thinks on this issue. I do not care what you really think about this issue. I mostly find if funny that you are telling officials that actually work the sport what they can and cannot do.

Peace