[Kaliix]

Your right I won't change my mind. I'm fully confident in my belief that 7.10(b) clearly means that a runner that has failed to touch a base in passing must touch his advance base before he is guilty of touching the bases out of order and liable to be appealed for a missed base.

Clearly you have no concept of what the English language or what reading comprehension skills mean. You can't even get the language of the rules right. The rule states the batter must not "fail to touch the bases in order" not be "guilty of touching the bases out of order." Are you really that dense?

Also that 7.10(d) has been extended to all bases including home and further that under today's rules, a runner is not guilty of missing a base, nor is he appealable, until he leaves the immediate area of that base. It naturally follows that a runner is not guilty of missing a base and appealable as soon as he fails to touch a base in passing.

Explain to me why anyone needed to extend 7.10(d) to all the bases when there is already a rule that covers that specific thing?

Have you ever read Rule 7.08(k)? If you had, and could comprehend what it says, you would realize the absolute folly of needing to extend 7.10(d).

I'll give you one more chance to read the rule. It's quoted below.

Rule 7.08(k) In running or sliding for home base, he fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to the base, when a fielder holds the ball in his hand, while touching home base, and appeals to the umpire for the decision. This rule applies only where runner is on his way to the bench and the catcher would be required to chase him. It does not apply to the ordinary play where the runner misses the plate and then immediately makes an effort to touch the plate before being tagged. In that case, runner must be tagged.

So why if, the rules specifically cover a play at home in 7.08(k), would there be any need to extend 7.10(d) to cover all the bases when that is covered in rule 7.10(b)?

Gosh, that's a great question? Got an answer?

Here's another, does 7.10(b) state anything about touching an advance base to have failed to touch the bases in order?

How about this, if the rule 7.10(b) states that a runner can be returning to a base but if a missed base is tagged before the runner touches it, he is out, on appeal? Where's the part about having to have touched an advance base? It seems the rule covers returning to a missed base? It even says that the runner could be advancing from a base and be out on appeal? Hummmm????

And here's my last really good question? Why would the people in baseball go to all the trouble of "interpreting" these rules in such a convuluted, round about, confusing way when all they had to do was, since first and home are covered by there own individual rules anyways, not just make a slight change to 7.10(b) so that it read the following:
"Any runner shall be called out on appeal, when with the ball in play, while advancing or returing to a base, he fails to touch each base in order before he, or a missed base, is tagged, unless he immediately attempts to return and touch a missed base.
Note: Immediately returning to a base is definded as the runner not advancing past the cutout area of the missed base."

I know, I know, that just seems to easy doesn't it?

So, anyone care to answer any of the questions above or are we just going to drop some more chaffe!

I'm on vacation till Monday, have fun!