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Originally posted by Dave Reed
Let me make clear immediately that I think the BR must be tagged in this situation. Of course this means that runs do score.
Dave [/B]
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Hate to do this to you Dave [no, I don't, but that is due to the inherent character defect of my being a lawyer, and I'm trying to act like I feel bad about it]:
If you agree that BR must be tagged and runs score in the PAF/"Retreat toward Home"/ tagged 3d out scenario, you must necessarily accept that the PAF is NOT a FPAF.
See: 7.08(e) -
"...if the forced runner, after touching the next base, retreats ... the force play is reinstated, and [runner can be] put out if the defense tags the base to which he is forced."
See also: 7.12 - no runs score if 3d out is a force play.
Bottom line: ain't no rule that "removes the force" on PAF when BR touches & goes back down the baseline toward his previous upright position [home plate]; so if'n PAF=F, when he backs up, it's still a force and, tag him or the base, no runs score. Fortunately, we have 2.00 "Force Play" and 6.05(j), from which we can determine that PAF is not F, even though ["1st time by"] it looks like a force 'cause BR is out if base is tagged before he arrives. SOOoo ... if BR touches and retraces his path, he must be tagged and runs crossing the plate before BR is tagged do, indeed score, neither of which can be true if PAF=F.
As some of my crazier [& drunker] college buddies used to say to conclude typically convoluted college-buddy arguments: F#(%wad, I win! [Never argue w/ a lawyer: it only makes your head hurt, and the lawyer enjoys it]
Umpirically;
--Carter