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Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
One point at a time...the PAC10 and SEC asked for permission at the same time (ref. the Sports Illustrated article) the Big Ten was granted permission because they could accomplish it faster. Michigan-Ohio State will have the same amount of replay cameras in use as Indiana - Minnesota. Sorry to disappoint you but that too, was in the article. Complaining that a call was correctly made??? Yes, that is serious. ;}
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Have you ever had a conversation with a Big Ten Official about this? Considering that the Sun-Times and Sports Illustrated are just media publications and do not always state the procedures and what the practices are in place. They just talked about this issue last night at the COA meeting, where two members are going to act as "Instant Replay" officials (Tom Quinn and Jim Keogh). They will give a presentation later in the year and tell the membership how it works. So we will see. But these are people that will not sit on the field and make decisions. Not the same thing as what we discussed on the other boards.
I...Just...Don't...Know.
You have never shown a valid reason why your incorrect call should not be overruled.
I have a good reason; maybe I felt my call was right? Maybe I saw the entire play and was in position to make the call and got the call right?
Several other members have given examples of why this should happen. Maybe you shoudl read their posts again, since mine seem too complex.
Name them? Do not just say, “several other posters" and not reference their words. Then when they disagree with your assessment, then tell us I was wrong then?
Again...read...the...SunTimes or SportsIllustrated articles. They will show you why and how these calls are justified in the 2004 Big Ten Football season.
I did not realize that the Chicago SunTimes and SI was the rulebook. Interesting point of view. I will make sure I look at SI the next time they tell us that the NC game was decided by a call and how to handle it. I am sure they were right on during the Ohio State-Miami Fiesta Bowl game.
Oh, my...are you lying again??? I saw sevarl members point out that you are mistaken - both here and on the other Board.
Name them.
Most of the people here and on the other boards do not agree with your point of view. They seem to feel that they also have to have trust amongst their partner's and they have to let their partner's work the game.
How so? Most people have used the words "never" and "it is not my call to change" when talking about this issue. Even a couple of stories about how they did "overruled" someone and learned a lesson. Again, stop talking about in generalities, name them. I have not seen many people say you can "overrule" your partner's ever.
Yes, that is why the instant replay system will be implimented this season. Because guys like you are afraid to have their calls changed and your partners will cover up for your weaknesses.
One of the reasons this change was made was several plays that happen to Penn State and Joe Pa's team. One of the calls was in a game PSU was playing Ohio State and they were Passing Interference no calls. After that game Joe Pa was crying for Instant Replay. Nothing would have been change in those games under the system the Big Ten is implementing.
I know...I know...that is why it is so sad. You see your partner kick a call, letting him hang rather than get it right and allowing the game to be played fairly. Let's penalize the contestants because of an official's pride or his partner's lack of a spine.
Since you keep referring to football, I will give you a great example. I am the Referee or White hat on my crew. In a 5 man system, I have the QB and the kickers in most situations. When a ball is passed, I am not watching the flight of the ball. I am not watching the receivers to see if they are held. I am not seeing the ball being tipped at the LOS. I cannot rule on catch and no catch situation. If I watch those plays, I will miss my responsibilities with late hits or illegal hits on the QB or kicker. I cannot bail out my partner on any of those plays. No matter how much I would like to. Not if I am doing my job.
In baseball, if I am working the field, I cannot tell my partner that last pitch was over and change it. Even if it was obvious to me from my view point. My partner has a job to do, and if he or she cannot do it, they will not be there. If there is a play at the plate, I cannot tell my partner that he kicked a call on safe or out, if the ball was caught and a tag is at issue. Or I cannot help if the issue is whether the plate was touched or not. Of course I can help on whether the ball was dropped, but that is all I can do is help. I cannot tell him what to do after that.
In basketball most of the situations people talked about were out of bounds call. And it was made very clear that if they saw something that was obvious, they would inform their partner of what they saw. But I cannot think of one post that suggested that you come in and change the call without your partner's consent or outside of the "primary" coverage of that partner. A few years ago I was working a 3 Man basketball game and my partner called a foul while a player was about to shoot the ball and the ball went in. I went to my partner and quietly told him (did not signal) "the ball went in." He did not take my information and did not count the basket. When we got into the locker room, my other partner said to him, “you should have counted the basket." He went on to further say, “if your partner comes to you like that, take the advice on plays like that." All I could do is give that information. The official that made the call was sure he was right and made a decision. It is not my job to "make him" change the call that he made. I just provided information and it is up to him to do that. If there was an evaluator there, that would have been all they would have expected me to do and the rest would have been on my partner's shoulders.
Now, I have very clearly stated to you what can and cannot be done. You claim you only work baseball, but you want to debate what other sports do. I will be speaking at the IACAO Football Clinic this weekend (Saturday) and there will be just about every Chicago area assignor present. You can ask them all if you like. I will be giving a presentation myself at 1:00 and will discuss issues as it relates to working with your partners. If that is not good enough, the COA meets and Hinsdale South High School, every Tuesday at 7:00 until mid-October. Jim and Tom are present at about every meeting. Jim Keogh assigns about 30+ schools at the College level (D3 and JUCO) and helps scout for the NFL in their new program to recruit of find potential prospects to work in the NFL. Tom Quinn was in the Big Ten for years and worked with and helped mentor many current Big Ten Officials and is worshipped in our area. Both men know much more than officiating in football than I will ever know in my lifetime. Both worked in the Big Ten and have been evaluators for years. I just saw both of them yesterday and Steve Pamon (the only Black Crew Chief in the Big Ten) gave a presentation on the new NCAA Rules and talked briefly about this very issue on instant replay. So my knowledge about this issue is not from a paper, it is from the very people that will be involved in the process. You are welcome to come and ask them yourself.
Peace