Thu Jul 29, 2004, 10:37am
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Snaqwells
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Snaqwells
Juulie,
The play I'm seeing (in my head, an admittedly odd breeding ground for hypotheticals) takes place thusly:
A1 with ball, not dribbling, standing in FC near division line. (FC established)
Throws a bounce pass to A2 so that it bounces in the BC (back court now established) before getting to A2 (standing in the FC and not setting foot in the BC). More specifically, the ball bounces twice; once in the BC and the second time in the FC (not an overly difficult trick). If anyone from A is the first to touch the ball after it bounces in the BC, it is a violation, no matter how far from the Division line the ball gets.
Am I missing something in the rules that says this isn't a violation?
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Well, first of all, I'm really, really confused about the play you've just described. If the ball bounces twice, once in BC and then in FC, did the someone from team A who touched just tap it, and then it bounced in FC? Or what? What's the order of events here?
But secondly, in your original post you said the ball ROLLED from BC to the basket. That's not the same at all as bouncing once in the BC and then flying up over the FC. If the ball bounces, and is proceeding through the air, then it's still a BC ball, no matter how far over the FC it moves. But in the original post you said ROLLED, so I'm thinking that it's touching the floor at least 90% of the time between the division line and the basket.
So you clarify first, and then I will!
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Let me try one more time, in chronological order.
1. Player A, standing in FC not dribbling, throws a bounce pass that bounces in the BC.
2. On the pass, the spin on the ball causes it to change direction and bounce back into the front court.
3. After the ball bounces at least one time in the FC, A2 is the first to touch it.
4. Referee whistles a violation.
It doesn't matter how far the ball moves from the line, or how many times it touches the floor in the FC.
When I said "rolls to the basket," I should have said "bounced." I was thinking "rolls" because after a few bounces, the ball is going to begin rolling. In practice, this will never happen because someone is going to pick it up before it gets to that point.
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Adam, thanks for clarifying. Now I understand your point.
Anyone else -- Is this true?!?! I never got this memo.
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This is absolutely true. None of the backcourt rule specifies where the ball can or can not be touched...only when it can't not be touch relative to where the ball has been or is going... last to touch before returning to the backcourt and first to touch after going to the backcourt. Those are the key elements. The first to touch after it went to the backcourt could be anywhere on the floor.
A backcourt violation is akin to being OOB except that it is delayed and only applies if team A is the first to touch it after it goes to the backcourt.
[Edited by Camron Rust on Jul 29th, 2004 at 11:40 AM]
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