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You wrote,
The scoring or not scoring the run is same whether we consider B/R to be forced at first or not.
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First let me answer your question about removing the force.
As we all know, the force is removed when a runner touches the base he was forced to. When a runner fails to touch his forced base in passing he is assumed to have touched that base, which of course removes the force, pending appeal. OBR 6.08(c),7.04(d) and 8.05 AR.
So in the play at second, once the runner passed the base he failed to touch, he is assumed to have touched it and removed the force, therefore the run scores.
At first when the runner failed to touch first, when running through (still passing), he didn't remove the TOUCH and when tagged out the run doesn't score because the runner didn't TOUCH first before he was tagged out. OBR 4.09(a). There is a difference.
You further asked:
"I'd like to understand what happens in your first scenario if R1 continues to third and is called out on appeal".
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Once the runner leaves the immediate area of the base (I use the cutout) he can be appealed. OBR 7.10(d) extended to all bases.
If he is succesfully appealed the force out would be restored and the run wouldn't score. That is why I clearly stated that the runner stopped immediately and scrambled back and couldn't be appealed and must be tagged for an off base out, since he never left the immediate area of the base, again OBR 7.10(d)
Prior to the middle seventies they used OBR 7.10(b) which entails touching the bases out of order. Under that rule the runner that failed to touch second in passing was not appealable until he touched his advance base.
They extended 7.10(d) to all bases because 7.10(b) and (d) were out of sinc and now they are closer and there is no reason to use (b) at this time although it is still there and can be used if applicable. Hope you understand all that. G.
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[Edited by Gee on Jul 23rd, 2004 at 01:32 PM]
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